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<p>I didn’t even settle on the syntax fully yet. Parser is isolated. I just wanted something less relying on a user’s math degree <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>That’s exactly why I explicitly stated I am not after a general purpose language. To accomplish a trivial program we already have bash script. Self-contained pure logic (think a bank transaction involving several sides) is something that might be isolated and then called from the outside. Boundary is still error-prone, but I am fine with that because it leaves a single place of failure and it still might convince the developer to try to prove the transaction itself.</p> 
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								<p>Cure is by no mean a competitor to Elixir/Gleam/Erlang. I hope to keep a number of those writing 100% of the code in Cure limited to standard library maintainer(s).</p>
<p>Elixir/Gleam/Erlang users might <em>cure out</em> to perform some critical operation, or set of operations, or even a subsystem. If the input on the boundary of this interop might be trusted, <em>there will be a mathematical proof</em> that the outcome is to be trusted. That’s the goal.</p> 
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								<p>Thanks for confirming - that was my hunch, that it is a tool to be used alongside Elixir (/other BEAM languages) <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<pre data-code-wrap="elixir"><code class="lang-elixir">  Hello everybody out there using minix -

  I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
  professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.  This has been brewing
  since april, and is starting to get ready.  I'd like any feedback on
  things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
  (same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
  among other things).

  I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things seem to work.
  This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
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                Linus (torvalds@kruuna.helsinki.fi)
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<p>I am explicitly after making it worth using, as an opposite to “<a href="https://search.brave.com/search?q=avoid+success+at+all+costs" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">avoid success at all costs</a>.” That implies covering what makes sense to be covered <em>and</em> nudging users to get to more appropriate BEAM langs for everything else.</p> 
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								<p>It does not. Even worse, if one node runs a BEAM compiled with Cure vN, and another one runs a BEAM compiled with Cure vM, <em>all</em> compile-time guarantees are compromised.</p>
<p>I never said dependent types are a silver bullet. I implied that despite I personally consider any type system without a dependent type to be a pure waste, dependent types <em>might</em> actually bring sorta better confidence in the running code.</p> 
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<p>Rolling deploys usually use different cookies, don’t they? But yes, thanks, I’ll mention it.</p>
<p>Actually, this particular issue was the culprit guilty in that OTP was not typed back in 80s, according to Joe and Robert. But nowadays I next to never saw anyone using hot-upgrade feature and if your genservers do not implement <a href="https://hexdocs.pm/elixir/GenServer.html#c:code_change/3" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">GenServer.code_change/3</a> callback, they are still very prone to issues running different versions on the connected nodes.</p> 
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								<p>This might be considered a low-value reply, having nothing to do with Cure the language. It’s about the lovely design of the Cure logo/icon. It’s a nice combination of a caduceus and technical imagery. However (there’s always a however), the caduceus (two serpents around a rod with wings) is a symbol of Hermes/Mercury as messenger ( also a symbol of thieves and merchants). It <em>is</em> used by some to represent medical services, but in the interest of correctness and if you wanted to represent medicine, it would more properly be a rod of Asclepius (one snake, no wings). Obviously there was some confusion about snakes on a stick at some point in the past.</p>
<p>I’m sure there are not many that would notice or even care, but it’s obvious that some care and thought went into the design of the language (and the logo), so I thought I’d mention it. The logo looks cool with wings, though.</p> 
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