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								<p>Oh yeah, I just meant this framework doesn’t need to choose a winner. Of course as a dev you still have to pick <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>As you know I have a strong preference for React-likes (a category in which I include LiveView even if it’s not quite there) so my opinion matters little here, but I’d probably choose HTMX solely on vibes. Datastar is open-core and the database world has taught me to be extremely skeptical of such things. Of course there are exceptions like Oban, but they are an exception because they have built community trust over a long period of time.</p> 
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<p>FYI, you can have the best of both Elixir and React worlds by using <a href="https://github.com/inertiajs/inertia-phoenix" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Inertia Phoenix</a>.</p>
<p>It lets you use React components as views from MVC, provides SPA-like navigation while still being server-driven.</p> 
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								<p><a href="https://acko.net/blog/model-view-catharsis/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">MVC is not real and it cannot hurt you</a> <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>But yeah, you can always use React itself with Phoenix or I’m sure with Nex here as well. I am not particularly interested in React proper, though, only its model. LiveView’s model is similar except that it runs on the server and its design is not quite as careful.</p>
<p>I have grown quite wary of this layering of frameworks on top of frameworks without anyone actually understanding why things are the way they are underneath. That’s how you end up with accidental complexity, because those using and even designing the tools don’t remember what it was they were supposed to be doing.</p>
<p>There is something to be said for minimalism (and I hope the OP here is able to pull it off), but achieving a minimal design is a very careful and effortful process. React right after Fiber/Hooks is a good example of a design that was refined to near perfection over a long period of time. Since then idk what they’ve been up to and I don’t really care.</p> 
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<p>I briefly looked at the article. Is he trying to say that because modern “views” are highly interactive, we shall think there’s an MVC within MVC and get to a conclusion that the term itself makes no sense? It kinda does make sense to me, because I always think of MVC from a server-first apps perspective. A controller is a server action/endpoint to me. A model is the data that’s being transferred to views. A view is responsible for presenting that data to the end user and leaves them a choice to call other controllers.</p> 
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								<p>The author’s writing style lends itself to deep insights that only reveal themselves after weeks to months of repeated readings (at least in my experience, and I have seen others suggest the same). I would not recommend skimming his work as you are unlikely to glean much of value that way.</p>
<p>In this case, though, I was just making a joke about how MVC generally does not mean much of anything at all, a point underscored somewhere in the article.</p> 
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								<p>Nex looks neat!</p>
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<p>Periodic reminder that <a href="https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix_playground/readme.html" rel="nofollow">phoenix_playground</a> exists and this is a full Phoenix LiveView app:</p>
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defmodule DemoLive do
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  def mount(_params, _session, socket) do
    {:ok, assign(socket, count: 0)}
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  def render(assigns) do
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    &lt;style type="text/css"&gt;
      body { padding: 1em; }
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								<p>Ironically <a class="mention" href="/u/thiagomajesk" rel="nofollow">@thiagomajesk</a> is the author of the head on main rn <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Are there any gotchas for actually running such a script in production, or would that actually be fine? It is called “playground” after all.</p> 
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								<p>Nice to see more web frameworks, and I have to agree with <a class="mention" href="/u/garrison" rel="nofollow">@garrison</a> keep em coming!</p> 
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								<p>Maybe next we shall have pure API one like FastAPI</p> 
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								<p>Yeah, all thought would love to see a high performance one, with minimum allocations. I believe that the BEAM could properly serve the fastest, extreme concurrency one across languages, most of the tools are almost in place to do this, with regards to json and etc.</p> 
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