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								<p>By people on both Reddit and HN.</p> 
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<p>But now we have half of a year later. I wrote and read code written by many people. waded through formatted source code of many kinds (manually vs. tool) and I came to a conclusion at about year change and I am in a transition phase since then.</p>
<p>I migrate slowly to use tabs for indentation and spaces for alignment. At least when I have the choice. For languages that have an official formatter or projects that use a style guide I adhere to those though (even when I am not always the same opinion as those guidelines or tools <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> ).</p>
<p><a class="mention" href="/u/overminddl1" rel="nofollow">@OvermindDL1</a> already did his point about this in <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/tabs-vs-spaces/753/27" class="inline-onebox" rel="nofollow">Tabs vs Spaces - #27 by OvermindDL1</a> and I do understand it fully after using that style experimentally for about 3 months now in some C++ code I am hacking at for internal usage.</p>
<p>At least I will stick to this until <a href="http://nickgravgaard.com/elastic-tabstops/" rel="nofollow">elastic tabstops</a> get proper support in the tools I use (emacs and VS code) <strong>and</strong> are not formatted away by the toolset I use (eg. <code>mix format</code> or <code>go fmt</code>).</p> 
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								<p>Obviously haven’t worked with GNU source code. Tabs have to be fixed to render 8 spaces.</p> 
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								<p>Why? Who forces me to do so? Who does even realize if I render it with a width of 2 locally or maybe 3?</p> 
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								<p>Nobody is forcing you to. Problem with the GNU style is that your tabs have to be set to render 8 spaces so that alignment in the source code looks right. Reason is code is indented with 2 spaces but every 8 spaces are converted to tab characters. So if you don’t set you editor to convert every 8 spaces to tabs (not 4 or 3 or 2), then code just looks misaligned. I contributed a tiny change to gcc libstdc++ a long time ago but spent a disproportionate amount of time reading the code and I remember thinking how crazy the GNU style was. For example just</p>
<p>wget <a href="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/master/gcc/c-family/c-semantics.c" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/master/gcc/c-family/c-semantics.c</a></p>
<p>and open the file in your editor. If your tabs are set to render as 8 spaces then indentation will look right. If not then things will be misaligned.</p> 
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								<p>Well, this falls under mixing tabs and spaces for indentation, and this is what I consider bad style. If there are consistently used only tabs for indentation and spaces for alignment, the actual tabwith will be irrelevant.</p> 
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<p>This is precisely what I do almost everywhere (except elixir because friggin spaces are prevalent in elixir, so I follow the pattern, ugh). I’ve been a big pusher for this style for over 2 decades now. You have custom indention levels, proper alignment, everything.</p>
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<p>To be honest, I see so benefits for educational reasons as well:<br>
You can teach the difference between alignment and indentation.</p>
<p>As always, is it important to be explicit about everything, especially as newbie. To mix up alignment with indentation leads to a lack of understanding about both concepts, since it seduces you to assume that both is the same. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>I will do this so now, thanks a lot ^-^</p> 
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<p>Hmm, that is not really something I distinguish, but that is good to focus on… I’ll do that.  ^.^</p> 
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