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								<p>Because it lets you test the whole stack and replace a mocks setup with normal code (endpoint option and simple plug). It lets you test how your payloads are actually encoded for instance.</p>
<p>In general I do two layers of mocking. I use Req.Test to test actual client inmplementation, and a mock client to return mocked responses directly (simpler and faster, as you said) for code using the client.</p>
<p>But for an app tha is mostly an ETL software with heavy HTTP fetching, authentication layers, configurable pagination, that kind of things, all related test start a tiny HTTP server sand I have no regrets. It’s actually fast enough, test can be async, and I trust the whole stack to work well.</p> 
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								<p>I wouldn’t say that it is “much faster”. The performance difference is negligible for me. What is though more important is that with server instead of mock, you are testing whole process, from the top to bottom. Another thing is that mocks like to screw up coverage reports which do not happen when you do not override modules.</p> 
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								<p>Sure, but test coverage percents are a fairly arbitrary metric that does not by itself prove that your tests are exhaustive.</p> 
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<p>I just have to note that Repatch works with coverage perfectly <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/grin.png?v=15" title=":grin:" class="emoji" alt=":grin:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">. Mox actually uses some OTP-code patching in runtime in order to make coverage work, while Repatch just does it the correct way.</p> 
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<p>Probably I’m missing something, but I don’t understand what’s wrong with stubbing the HTTP response directly in the test instead of running a separate HTTP stub server <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/thinking.png?v=15" title=":thinking:" class="emoji" alt=":thinking:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p><a href="https://hexdocs.pm/req/Req.Test.html#module-example" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">e.g.</a></p>
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<p>Coverage works great, and we still test the whole pipeline - we’re just mocking the JSON returned from the HTTP call - and passing json through all business logic we have - or am I missing sth?</p> 
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<p>Of course, but it is some metric that gives you rough idea whether given piece of code is run at least once. While targeting for 100% LoC coverage is IMHO stupid, achieving that 90% is IMHO good measure whether your test suite is more or less good.</p>
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<p>No, this is also feasible option, as you still go through most of the codebase. My main problem there is that it relies on implementation detail, which is “what HTTP client you are using”. I prefer my tests to assume the SUT is blackbox as much as I can. That allows me to help with designing programmer interface via writing tests (as I am trying to write code as it would be written by potential user) as well as make my tests less dependant on the exact implementation of the functionality. So if I change details (for example add cache or change HTTP client) I do not need to rework my test suite (that much).</p> 
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								<p>100% agree. For this reason I prefer <code>bypass</code> for testing HTTP implementation, so I’m less dependent on the library. To be honest, I’m even a bit disappointed that some HTTP clients have their own built-in modules for testing.</p> 
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								<p>I have replaced Bypass with TestServer which seems to be more actively maintained.</p> 
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								<p>Not req and reqcassette? This is the easiest and most realistic path imo.</p> 
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								<p>You can’t get more “realistic” than running an actual HTTP server <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>(edit: well you <em>can</em> hack into the servers of the API owners you are implementing a client for, then copy their source code, and then run their actual API on a docker container, but you know, I got lazy over the years)</p> 
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