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<p>Agreed on the premise and you’re both crushingly correct. The nuance here is that often people can’t just leave a bad workplace, <em>especially</em> today when the illusion that “devs are easy to get rid of and get a new one” is still in full swing for a lot of businesses, and many of them have severely reduced their hiring. Add to that the fact that Elixir, much to my regret, remains niche, and you get a picture of “well maybe I shouldn’t leave because my experience yet again got overruled and I know people will call me in a year telling me I was right”.</p>
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<p>I think I came across a bit too strong, what I wanted to say was that our job as developers is to facilitate our customers’ needs, and those who cede authority over that to <code>$FAMOUS_FIGURE</code> have effectively declared themselves out of the picture.</p>
<p>This may be fine when said <code>$FAMOUS_FIGURE</code> <em>is actually in the picture</em>, but becomes outright silly when they aren’t. By analogy it’s good to cede authority over your house’s wiring to an electrician (developer) when doing renovations, but rather suspect to <em>second-guess</em> <em>the electrician you’ve hired</em> after reading a book by some famous electrician.</p>
<p>Making judgment calls is such a large part of our jobs and regardless of AI, recommendations, or whatever we still have to do this part and trust ourselves to do so.</p>
<p>I’d say that appealing to authority ought be the biggest code smell of them all, if only it weren’t for the fact that <em>this too</em> will probably be misinterpreted. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/laughing.png?v=15" title=":laughing:" class="emoji" alt=":laughing:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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<p>to cede authority over your house’s wiring to an electrician […]</p>
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<p>Speaking from my experience, it’s still worth it to ask questions and demand to explain why this and that (assuming you know what’s the difference between American standard and European one, and understand how the terminal switch works.)</p>
<p>I once literally prevented the plugs for washing machine and dishwasher to be wired sequentially, like a Christmas garland.</p>
<p>An explanation does always work better than “because I said so” kind of answer.</p> 
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								<p>Indeed, engaging in dialogue and asking questions is generally good, but then you’re in the picture and argue in good faith about the merits of this and that, which is quite different from shutting down conversation by saying “this famous guy over there who isn’t in the room said so.”</p>
<p>I’m arguing that the latter is an own-goal that betrays quite a lot about the speaker.</p> 
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<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p>They say, gentlemen should not speak about people behind their back in the first place, which rules out all the famous guys at once <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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<p>I think it is an anti pattern to interpret “avoid” as “dont ever do it” and see guidelines as strict rules.</p>
<p>Don’t break guidelines until you have learned why they exist in the first place and can determine if your case is different.</p> 
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<p>Well that’s kind of the point: we here know, people we worked with don’t.</p> 
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