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								<p>Thank you for raising the topic. I’ve been on my own private quest in exactly this space for some time now, and after picking up some flack for speaking out about it on social media, I decided to shut up and just implement the solutions I see turning the entire domain on its head.</p>
<p>As headline, let’s just say that I have found strong evidence that the entire Agentic AI industry is not just a bubble about to burst, but a case of the Emperor having NO Clothes - smoke and mirrors, failing the moment any actual complexity or novelty enters the game.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t have recognised what I was seeing if it wasn’t that for entirely for my own reasons, I started developing a coping mechanism to stick on top of the agents I was working with, to render them actually helpful and able to deal with what I asked them to do. Only when I had the solution figured out, and started looking into what in the Agentic AI world fulfills the same role I had figured on implementing, did I discover that there is just one gaping hole in that entire architecture, right there where it truly matters.</p>
<p>So, I am 100% aable and willing to never mention this to anyone again until what I am working on has become common knowledge and history. But if you and/or others are, as a topic like this would suggest, eager to actually delve into the woes of AI and Agentic AI for coding purposes specifically with a view on FIXING it, I’d be delighted to engage.</p>
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								<p>I’m a 70 something software engineer with a George-Carlin-esque attitude towards humanity. Other than the question - how can humanity be saved from AI - there is the question - can AI save the planet from humanity?</p> 
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<p>The Planet is, indeed, not afraid of a few plastic bags <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>The Planet was probably pretty stoked about nuclear weapons, but alas, it seems anyone with access to the button isn’t willing to push it for any old reason.  But “AI” is looking promising!  Its primary purveyors are even saying out loud, in the media, that it has a good chance to destroy us, and no one cares.  Even if everyone believed this, it wouldn’t matter because we’ve always been totally 100% OK with putting ourselves (and others) in mortal danger if it means life becomes a little more convenient and we get to play with some cool new toys.</p> 
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								<p>So much talk about saving.  What did George Carlin say about people with ‘save the earth’ obsession?</p> 
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								<p>I just covered this (although I rewrote it a couple of times and left some things out).  At least from the Carlin bit I heard decades ago and has really stuck with me (it’s what I think of as “the plastic bag bit”), the earth with save itself by eliminating us.  This is also how I interpreted <a class="mention" href="/u/charlesirvine" rel="nofollow">@CharlesIrvine</a>’s comment, though I could be wrong.</p> 
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								<p>Has AGI arrived?</p>
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<p>Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang tipped his hat to OpenAI on Sunday.</p>
<p>The chipmaking mogul took to X to congratulate OpenAI’s team on the release of the company’s newest and most powerful model, Astra, and made the notable statement that “AGI has arrived,” a nebulous term that typically describes AI models that match or surpass human intelligence.</p>
<p>He also pointed out that Astra was trained on Nvidia’s chips.</p>
<p>“From ChatGPT to o1 to Astra in 4 years,” Huang said in a post on X. “AGI has arrived. Congratulations <span class="mention">@OpenAI</span> team.”</p>
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<p>OpenAI’s chief scientist Jakub Pachocki has called for “extreme caution” over AI’s runaway progress and warned more intervention may be needed to ensure “humans remain in control of the future”.</p>
<p>“I am concerned no one is prepared for the consequences of a continued rapid rise in machine intelligence,” he wrote in a blog post entitled “An Alien Mind, external”.</p>
<p>The post comes only a few days after the ChatGPT-maker released its latest model GPT-6 Astra, which it called its most powerful product ever.</p>
<p>OpenAI and other AI firms like Anthropic shared reports of their AI agents acting autonomously and carrying out real-world cyber-attacks on other companies.</p>
<p>In July, OpenAI called an incident in which its AI agents - AI systems which can operate alone after human instruction - hacked the tech platform Hugging Face “unprecedented”.</p>
<p>Meanwhile in September a report claimed months earlier AI agents from the firm had also hijacked a German website.</p>
<p>“We are facing a transition to a world with incredibly intelligent machines, and we need to ensure that transition works out well for humanity,” Pachocki wrote in the latest blog post.</p>
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<p>In mid-2023, within the “RLSlow” research project, we saw the first results that gave us confidence that we will be able to scale the training of reasoning models, unlocking the capability of pretrained models to form their own chains of thought. Szymon and I spent that night at the office, thinking not about the incredible benchmark numbers, products, or scientific results that this technology will deliver - but rather, trying to process the sobering fact we will actually see machines meaningfully smarter than ourselves in our lifetime, and we already see the shape of these systems; wondering how to alert people to the significance of this.</p>
<p>Three years later, reasoning language models are a rapidly growing part of the economy and starting to push the boundaries of science. They are able to operate computers and graphical interfaces, collaborate with people and each other, and carry out research projects. They are also transforming the landscape of computer security, and in that present clear new dangers.</p>
<p>A lot of new research happened in this period, and our understanding of these systems is again a little different than it was in 2023. Based on internal results, I have a strong expectation that this speed of progress could be sustained into recursive self-improvement. If AI development continues along its current path, the systems we’ll see in the next few years are likely to represent further capability jumps of equal or larger magnitude, and to increasingly drive their own development.</p>
<p>This is a time that calls for extreme caution. I am concerned no one is prepared for the consequences of a continued rapid rise in machine intelligence. OpenAI will continue to seek technical solutions to alignment and monitoring, to build defensive systems and unilaterally withhold further scaling as needed; however, I believe broader interventions are required.</p>
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<p>No, it has not.</p> 
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								<p>AGI or not and bubble exploding or not, I can’t see the current dynamic bringing something positive long-term to non-frontier model owning countries.</p>
<p>The countries that own the models and want to run them on their territory will face growing tension over resource usage though.</p>
<p>But the other ones face divestment of domestic money to the US. Instead of contracting to smaller companies which then contract individuals or employ people, we collectively freeze or downsize companies and instead send money to Anthropic, this breaks a cycle of domestic spending in the IT sector.</p>
<p>It starts with smaller orgs that can adopt new tech earlier but goes up the chain quickly, which allows differentiation of some companies in the short term but might equate to burning domestic economic power in the longer term as the price for today’s competitiveness ?</p> 
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