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								<p>Yep, I can see AI being used for more malicious purposes with human involvement. But the idea of “self-improving” AI looks extremely far-fetched and marketing-driven, without some massive breakthrough.</p>
<p>I constantly feel that too. Not only do I not understand the “vibed” codebase, but I don’t have a cognitive or emotional connection with the project. Everything is built as some temporary throwaway. Makes it easier to just disengage, because I haven’t really invested anything.</p>
<p>I believe investing time into creating something from nothing is a beautiful, spiritual thing… and to have that taken away? It’s scary.</p> 
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								<p>A big part of this imo is reviewing code from a terminal sucks.</p>
<p>I would love to have a typical code review interface (like on gh) that allows you to annotate diffs, complete a review, have a revision drafted by AI, make another review, etc. Could even be TUI-based with vim motions, I don’t care.</p>
<p>Maybe even a mix of human and machine reviewers where the human can approve, discard, or expand upon machine-generated code reviews.</p>
<p>But reviewing diffs from the git cli? Yikes. That’s the kind of stuff that makes people stop giving a ****.</p>
<p>I know people do something of that sort but I haven’t bothered to set it up yet. Tbh I’m not at the point anymore where I’m super excited to try and find new ways to work with AI.</p>
<p>I might explore more with fine tuning and distillation, but making workflows and “prompting” from the user side, I’m pretty done with.</p>
<p>I believe the future belongs to micro-AI.</p> 
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								<p>I agree with your point that it’s not just programmers. Everyone thinks AI makes them an expert. That itself has serious economic and societal impact.</p> 
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<p>Is there anything that enforces you to do that? I use my own harness that not only provides a shiny interface for git, but also provides an ability to review and fix issues reported by linters, like <code>credo</code>, <code>oeditus_credo</code>, <code>metacredo</code>, and others.</p>
<p>My whole journey through developer’s career involved fixes to the tools I used. I switched to Linux in 1999 and I fixed something bothering me in Linux. My fixes are there in elixir core, most elixir standard libs, tons of supplemental libs. When I lack something, I create it, that’s how OSS works.</p>
<p>So instead of suffering from bad harness, I created my own, with blackjack and friendly interface, that calls exclusively AST-based tools for everything, from searching files to modifying them, and provides nifty interface for everything I use on daily basis.</p>
<p>That said, I think you should not blame models for your frustration. Models are great, assuming you treat them as a not perfect tool.</p> 
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								<p>Nothing forces me to do it. It’s just a default.</p>
<p>I don’t believe the cure for what I’m experiencing is to waste even more time experimenting.</p>
<p>I’m tired of going in, wide-eyed, thinking I’ve finally figured it out. Then the whole project fails because I realize the models aren’t actually capable of what I need to do.</p>
<p>Many of those things are pretty domain-specific though, so not easily knowable unless you just go ahead and try a million different things.</p>
<p>These failures are exactly what led me to fine-tuning in the first place. And in my opinion, it’s the only hope for AI actually becoming something.</p>
<p>I have exactly zero desire to build my own harness.</p> 
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<p><a href="https://github.com/danobi/prr" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">GitHub - danobi/prr: Mailing list style code reviews for github · GitHub</a> may help.</p> 
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								<p>The language and framework matter less than before. Phoenix was really productive for me pre-Claude-Code, but now I don’t think it makes much difference. I’m sticking with Claude + Elixir anyway, because I’ve been doing Phoenix for 10 years and Tidewave is pretty good.</p>
<p>On the other side I’ve been able to ship at a speed that was never possible for me before. Things that would have taken weeks take a couple of days. Small projects that used to need a team, I can now do alone.</p>
<p>It’s a good time to launch your own thing. You can vibe-code a lot of it, and we’re probably the last generation with the deeper knowledge that’s still useful when things go bad. Although even for debugging, feeding the logs through MCP often gets there faster than I do.</p>
<p>Maybe try to take a step back. I really liked coding and software development too, but it’s becoming a commodity, and I think the value now is more in being the architect (as long ai token remain cheap)</p> 
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								<p>Yeah, the industry “cares” about developers like I care about the toner in my printer. It is useful to have it, a resource that produces useful work. I like being able to print but if I become convinced that I can still print without toner tomorrow, I’ll just not buy it anymore. How the toner feels about this change at this point is irrelevant to me. I might be wrong or right about not needing it anymore, but it also is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Very bad analogy and a materialist view but you get the idea.</p>
<p>Employment for salaried developers is bound to become harder to find and harder to stay in. Of course you can read online “you just have to be the best and greatest” but mathematically, not everyone can be.</p>
<p>I think it’s a great time for like-minded developers to identify each other and launch projects or consultancies instead of employment. Small and focused teams of developers + domain experts +  users can go a long way.</p> 
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<p>agreed. anyone can press a button and produce complex code they barely understand.</p>
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<p>This attitude created a plague, where recognition no longer exists due to mass ignorance. It’s ruined any desire I have to do the thing I was once passionate about.</p>
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<p>i guess one way we can distinguish ignorance nowadays is if the professional can explain enough what he produced that would make him/she in absolute control of all parts of it (own the code). Code alone is not enough.</p>
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<p>I’ve moved away from making software for software’s sake. I’m focusing more on business modeling and supporting decision-making now.</p>
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<p>smart. the differentiator now lies in the understanding of the industry nuances where the business lives. e.g. you can be extremely good at writing elixir code but if you don’t understand the business you’re working for then coding itself is like having a tool and not knowing where it can be useful.</p>
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<p>The situation is made so much worse from the constant pressure to cut corners, close your eyes, and prompt. I swear I spend more time cussing out AI for doing things wrong than if I’d written the thing myself.</p>
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<p>a CTO once said to me that it’s ok to cut corners but we must cut the right corners. AI won’t help with that. but i agree that sometimes, doing the thing ourselves can save us more time and help us retain more of the business/coding.</p> 
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								<p>Programming just became more demanding with LLMs. All challenges from maintaining large software projects are still there. It’s now possible to accumulate cognitive/system debt faster.</p>
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<p>On the other side I’ve been able to ship at a speed that was never possible for me before. Things that would have taken weeks take a couple of days. Small projects that used to need a team, I can now do alone.</p>
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<p>I’m trying to reflect on where all this extra productivity is captured.</p>
<p>Services getting cheaper to the end customer? Higher salaries? Higher valuation for a software company? Higher margins for business owners?</p>
<p>I would appreciate any concrete examples where LLM tooling affected company productivity in measurable way (x2 of revenue or profitability after introduction of LLM assistance).</p> 
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