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								<p>From: <a href="https://www.signavio.com/post/difference-between-workflow-and-bpm/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">The difference between workflow and business process management</a></p>
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<p>Business process management isn’t a very good name for the discipline, for example because it isn’t only useful for  <strong>businesses</strong>, but it’s the best name we have. Apart from ‘workflow management’, unless you think that’s worse, of course.</p>
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<p>I ran into this because I noticed that <a href="https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/workflow-patterns" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Workflow Patterns</a> seemed to avoid “BPM” on the cover (at least) - but that may <a href="http://www.workflowpatterns.com/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">be related to it</a> aligning more closely to with <a href="http://www.yawlfoundation.org/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">YAWL</a> than BPMN.</p>
<p>I’d say that it’s a old problem that always needed solving (and has been solved in a variety of ways) but newer attention has more to do with how technologies (and some of the resulting methodologies) are being brought to bear on it (which often seem to center around the idea of obviating the need for getting analysts/developers/programmers (or acquiring the associated mindset) involved).</p> 
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								<p>Is elixir something new or ideas from the 80’s (erlang f.e.) being updated or reused? And functional programming, how old is that? <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"><br>
BPM is not new, and it has had it’s evolution. For example the open standard modeling dsl BPMN2.0 was released in 2011. Plenty of info to be found with google if you’re interested.</p> 
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								<p>Interesting, I’ll have to do some more research on the topic.</p> 
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								<p>So currently the best way to implement bpm is to use Camunda as a service?</p>
<p>I’m also interested in <a href="https://github.com/synrc/bpe" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">bpe</a>, their website says:</p>
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								<p>I have no idea. Anyway I want these tools only as open source, and as dev tools. At least camunda has them that way. There may be others. I’m only using there BMPN and DMN modelers btw, the rest I wrote in elixir &amp; javascript using phoenix.</p> 
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								<p>I was thinking about BMPN and Behavior Trees (<a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/39-elixirconf-us-2018-behavior-trees-and-battleship-tapping-into-the-power-of-advanced-data-structures-jeff-schomay/16785" class="inline-onebox" rel="nofollow">39) ElixirConf US 2018 – Behavior Trees and Battleship: Tapping into the Power of Advanced Data Structures – Jeff Schomay</a>) and am curious about similarities/differences.</p>
<p>They both seem to model decisions and actions with data instead of code.</p>
<p>Is the main difference just that Behavior Trees have a background in video games while BPMN’s background is business processes?</p>
<p>I’m wondering if it would be doable to take a BPMN model file (I think XML?) and convert it to a behavior tree? I’m just curious if a BPM file is just a specific form of a Behavior Tree?</p> 
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								<p>I don’t know Behavior Trees . So I have no idea. You would have to google a bit or ask somewhere else maybe.</p> 
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								<p>Behavior tree is interesting, I think at some distance this data structure can simplify business logic. A vocation request, for example, I drew 2 diagrams to demonstrate the similarity between them.</p>
<p>In BPMN:</p>
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								<p>In behavior tree:</p>
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<p>But don’t know for complex business process, which is better.</p> 
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								<p>I’m building an OA system, it seems that camunda is the best choice as the bpm engine, but it’s too heavy, still struggling with the document. Hope to see a light weight or more advenced model for business process.</p> 
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