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<p>I don’t think I understand what you mean. With <code>strict/opinionated mode</code> I mean that it should ignore personal stylistic choices like underscored digits and the number of lines between functions and force a consistent elixir style.</p>
<p>It would mean having two formatter codepaths, one that is more forgiving and one that just formats the code exactly like elixir wants it so it would increase the technical debt and add complexity.</p>
<p>With “consistent” do you mean “consistent with the rest of that projects code” or “consistent with all elixir projects code”?</p>
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<p>However there are still cases that are weird with/without underscores so it’s hard to find something that fits all use cases. We might start keeping what the user used, but we’re not sure yet.</p>
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<p><em>shrug</em> We use credo to detect numbers without underscores so we can always fall back to that. Besides, most of the code is text, not digits. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smile.png?v=15" title=":smile:" class="emoji" alt=":smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>I believe the point <a class="mention" href="/u/whatyouhide" rel="nofollow">@whatyouhide</a> was getting at is that there aren’t different modes. If you want to call it strict/opinionated, then sure, but it is still a single mode.</p> 
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								<p>Ok, thanks, that makes sense. Just to be clear, I’m not using strict/opinionated a term of derision. I mean opinionated as in “Does not accept configuration options and doesn’t care about the original formatting”. The opposite would be something like a “conservative” formatter, which would take plenty of configuration options and try to preserve some of the original formatting. It wouldn’t be useful to enforce a uniform style, but it would be useful for refactoring tools or something like that.</p> 
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<p>Thanks for clarifying. In any case, I didn’t get this impression at all. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>i am generally anti-vertical whitespace, but if the formatter is going to be put single lines between function clauses and case clauses, could it put two lines between distinct functions? ie</p>
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<p>with the current rules, it’s really hard to quickly distinguish between different functions</p> 
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								<p>The formatter doesn’t know what is a function definition. The only way it could do so would be if we hardcoded <code>def</code>, <code>defmacro</code> and friends. But then what would happen when you use <code>defcall</code> or similar from ex_actor or another library? That’s why we don’t hardcode names in the formatter.</p>
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								<p>You can always add a whitelist of <code>def</code>-like names to the formatter which can be extended by a user-supplied option. That’s what I do with Makeup and it seems to work well when documenting packages such as ExSpirit (which has <code>defrule</code>) and ProtocolEx (which has <code>deftest</code>). Then you could keep together groups of</p>
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<p>According to the arity, which you can determine staticalky by counting the number of arguments.</p>
<p>But maybe it’s not worth it just to ensure the grouping of the clauses… That’s your call.</p> 
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<p>That’s our last option but an option nonetheless. Our plan is to introduce options to the API only when strictly necessary as they go against the formatter goals.</p>
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								<p>if it’s not possible to add extra vertical whitespace between functions (as compared to function clauses) i’d encourage you to reconsider adding vertical whitespace after case clauses. right now the formatter produces code with really monotonous vertical rhythm making it hard to navigate and scan</p> 
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