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								<p>Also a new article on why property based testing is awesome (popped up on my phone this morning):  <a href="https://medium.com/@PolySync/how-i-learned-to-love-property-based-testing-62dce4fe6e8e" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://medium.com/@PolySync/how-i-learned-to-love-property-based-testing-62dce4fe6e8e</a></p> 
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<p>Currently check all is not mixed, the generators and filters are pre-defined then there is a body block. In some cases it can make sense to mix them like if you only need one generator sometimes unless certain conditions are met that warrant the next, that way it saves processing of always acquiring the second even when not always used.</p>
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<p>I thought you were referring to the “block version” outlined above (the one that starts with <code>given</code>). But in Macro-land blocks and lists are basically interchangeable, so you can pick the ine you like.</p> 
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<p>I agree with that worry. Plus language developers aren’t gods, they are motivated volunteers and they have personal lives – increasing the maintenance cost all the time would only burn them out.</p>
<p><a class="mention" href="/u/josevalim" rel="nofollow">@josevalim</a> Maybe when property-based testing makes its way to Elixir, a generic contract module (behaviour / protocol) should also be included? To allow people to plug their own (or 3rd party) implementations of property-based testing? Or maybe allow that via Mix configuration? Not sure, just throwing an idea that might help people who aren’t satisfied with the speed of the future Elixir-bultin property-based testing solution – or people who have very specific needs.</p> 
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								<p>I don’t think you need any fancy contracts for property testing. Just write a couple of macros and you’re done.</p>
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								<p>I meant pluggable 3rd party implementations that replace the future builtin version but <a class="mention" href="/u/tmbb" rel="nofollow">@tmbb</a> is completely right by saying that everybody can bridge their own through macros – and it’s pretty easy / low-effort, too.</p>
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<p>In my experience having something in the standard library does not necessarily discourage others from trying different approaches. Case in point: just see <a class="mention" href="/u/overminddl1" rel="nofollow">@OvermindDL1</a>’s post right below yours about him replacing Elixir’s comprehensions (and a thousand other things). <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>It may even be the opposite: more people are attracted to it, which leads to more experimentation.</p>
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<p>It ‘could’ if the Decimal module was not a weird Struct type and instead was a tagged tuple, those can be tested entirely in-guards.  <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>Right but even if we used tuples (or if map access was allowed in guards), “overriding” is_number and the usual mathematical operators to work with decimals may negatively impact overall performance. So <code>is_number</code> was just an example, I believe the problem as a whole goes a bit deeper. I will be quite happy to discuss this but then please start another thread so we don’t go further off-topic on this one. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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<p>I hadn’t thought of it, and you’re probably right. I mean, I’ll experiment for sure with property based testing even when <code>stream_data</code> is part of the standard library <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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<p>Finally, it is also important to add that Stream Data does not fully replace existing solutions. The first version of Stream Data provides only stateless properties. Other property testing libraries also include stateful testing. QuickCheck comes with even more advanced features such as a randomizing scheduler for the Erlang VM called Pulse which makes it great for finding race conditions in concurrent code.</p>
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<p>You mention QuickCheck. Are Elixir’s new property-based testing capabilities intended to be an alternative to QuickCheck? I know we could still use QuickCheck regardless, but is there a reason for adding these features when QuickCheck exists?</p>
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<p>You mention QuickCheck. Are Elixir’s new property-based testing capabilities intended to be an alternative to QuickCheck?</p>
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<p>Stream data supports only stateless generators and QuickCheck goes way beyond.</p>
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<p>I know we could still use QuickCheck regardless, but is there a reason for adding these features when QuickCheck exists?</p>
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<p>We wanted something that is included as part of the language. See the “Why have our own implementation of property testing instead of using an existing implementation?” section in the main post.</p> 
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