paseg
Hi
When I use @behaviour and @callback, the functions are defined. I guess that I do not need to use @spec for the implementation of the @impl functions as well?
Will Dialyzer sort this out as well?
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asummers
You don’t need them as Dialyzer will give a callback does not match spec error, but please include them anyway. As a reader I do not want to have to jump to the behaviour definition to find out what the arguments are. In that vein if you include a using macro where you define default callbacks that are overridable with defoverridable, elide the spec in the using macro, otherwise you’ll get a compiler error for duplicating the spec if anyone actually overrides and wants to spec the override.
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Eiji
I don’t like such ideas as it’s really a pain for maintainers of libraries in case multiple libraries are implementing specified behaviour. Imagine that one behaviour is used by 10 libraries and 3 of them are not updated - what to do in such case? Should someone fork it just to update
@docs?Personalyl I think that introducing macro for documentation is a bit too overcomplicated. In such cases I would prefer to use
hhelper iniex(or justhtmldocumentation) and docs delegating feature:This would add a link which could be used in
hhelper (or just clicked onhtmlpage). In such case there is no need to change same documentation for multiple implementations or write any macros.asummers
I’m very unclear which part of my suggestion you’re taking umbrage with. Can you give an example of what you’re talking about?
Eiji
Sure, here is your changed code:
which would give:
This is much simpler than writing macros or copy-paste documentation and spec.
Generally we should avoid using macros unless it’s required.
asummers
I wasn’t suggesting to use a macro. Simply saying that if you do have a macro and the function is overridable to elide the spec in the macro (as they do in e.g. GenServer but do NOT elide in HTTPoison). I don’t think they’re incompatible, unless I’m misunderstanding something. This thread is about
@specnot@doc.Eiji
Yes, it is - look that delegated callback/function have also its specification (not only documentation - I did not even added documentation to your behaviour code).
As said if there is really no need to write macro then we should avoid doing it + it makes exactly no sense to copy
@docand@specover all implementations (especially manually i.e. without macro).Simply look how much code we wrote + how much nested spaces you have in macro which is not needed in such case.
If we want to tell that some documentation and/or specification is same for our function then we can simply delegate it in
@docwhich would give others enough information.asummers
Again, I’m not advocating for the macro, at all, in any way shape or form. I agree in this case it’s not needed. I’m contrasting the approaches taken between
GenServerandHTTPoison.Base.https://github.com/elixir-lang/elixir/blob/master/lib/elixir/lib/gen_server.ex#L760
vs.
https://github.com/edgurgel/httpoison/blob/master/lib/httpoison/base.ex#L220
Dialyzer will pick this all up even if you drop all the
@specs. But for readers of the code, giving them the ability to@specthe implementation is much more pleasant (even if they choose not to), because they do not need to look outside the file or inside IEx to be able to figure out what’s going on. And if they have the Credo rule on to require@specfor all functions, you must ignore in the implementation because the compiler will complain about duplicate specs for the implemented callbacks.Eiji
GenServeris not good example here is it’s most probably intended to not add@docand@specto those functions. Anyway I can see what you are talking about. For sure adding@doc falsewhen you really expect documentation is really bad, but@doc delegate_tois still ok hereMore … for this use case when most of projects don’t even document those functions it could be nice to properly link them to
GenServerdocumentation page. I believe that core team does not wanted to add extra documentation for every module which uses GenServer as reading documentation could be a bit harder due to more documentation.I have similar feeling to
HTTPoison. Omitting that you are linking to deprecated function we can still use@doc delegate_toin such case without any problem.ok, so for me it’s even not an option to consider
Personally I don’t like be forced to something. I’m like
Erlang/Elixir- I can fail as much as I need. No matter how much times - sooner or later I would be better. If I would be limited in order to protect myself then I’m not going to make fails and learn on them. Look thatElixiris written to be as much extensible as possible.The goal here is to introduce well known standards (just like adding optional
@specsupport), but not force them. Imagine what would happen if suddenly allhexlibraries would fail, because@specwould be required for all functions. Look that@speceverywhere would be like a dream for readers, but also huge pain for maintainers.Sooner or later you would get an edge-case. There is no rule in world to cover all cases, so forcing anything is never a good idea. It’s why
phoenixis not called aframework, butlibrary.You have lots of cases when you need to take a look at other modules to understand code properly especially in cases like
GenServer. You just need to remind from time to timehandle_call,handle_castandhandle_info.Personally I think that delegating documentation is much better, because same documentation and spec does not need to be written multiple times. Of course we do not see it in such simple examples.
Simply compare:
which is never going to change with copy-paste long specifications especially with map (optional and required keys).
There is no even need to imagine long map specification. Just look at really simple
init/1specification:https://github.com/elixir-lang/elixir/blob/0a81b278619324e088641abe9d486dca8a6510b5/lib/elixir/lib/gen_server.ex#L447
You would have few extra lines for each implementation’s function just to not make one click on
HTMLpage and it’s not even middle size of typical real world specification..paseg
Hi
Wow, thanks for all comments! Did not know that this would stir up this many opinions.
A see your point @asummers, but since this is not a public library (“only” used within our company), I prefer that the implementers spend the extra time to go into the definition of the behaviour rather than using multiple specs that will effect the maintenance in the long run.
I also found that the
@specmay state less than the actual@callbackwithout Dialyzer telling me, witch gives me another argument not to use the @specs…Example given:
Dialyzer signals this is ok, and I guess it is since the actual implementation fits within the original specification. In this case, the
@specmakes sense since this implementation is not the same as the@callbackstated, but if they are expected to be the same then adding an extra@specjust creates more maintenance burden.Eiji
For sure if you have different
@specfor specific implementation than@callbackthen you should use@spec. It’s important to let other knows that you will not meet exactly all cases expected by@behaviour. Otherwise I suggest delegating to callback documentation as I have mentioned previously. Fordialyzerit’s ok probably because both arguments and return value match@callbackspecification - only small part, but matches.