MarcusRiemer
I have loads of structs defined via typed_struct and would like to serialize and deserialize these structs to and from JSON. I am currently using Jason, but I am not tied to that at all. Serializing any of my structs into JSON is simple, deriving Jason.Encoder works. An example structure that (hopefully) contains everything I need could look like this:
require Protocol
defmodule Example do
use TypedStruct
@type id :: Ecto.UUID.t()
typedstruct module: Presence do
field :joined_since, DateTime.t(), enforce: false
field :reason, String.t()
end
typedstruct enforce: true do
field :id, id
field :name, String.t()
field :presences, %{optional(Presence.id) => Presence.t()}
end
def build() do
%__MODULE__{
id: Ecto.UUID.generate(),
name: "Some Guest",
presences: %{
"#{Ecto.UUID.generate()}": %Presence{
joined_since: DateTime.utc_now,
reason: "Creation"
}
}
}
end
end
Protocol.derive(Jason.Encoder, Example)
Protocol.derive(Jason.Encoder, Example.Presence)
Implementing serialization and deserialization for this however comes with two problems:
-
By default I am losing the type when serializing as JSON: From my point of view the easiest thing would be to tag each JSON object with the type. As far as I understand it, this is also the way a “normal” map is differentiated from a struct: By having a
:__struct__field present in the map. If I could just serialize this field alongside the normal data, the resulting map would be properly treated as a struct. I am already using the:__struct__field to know on which module I want to call functions, so to me this seems like a natural thing to do. But it at least doesn’t seem to be encouraged by Jason: I didn’t stumble over any way of doing this except for repeating all keys as part of theonlyoption to the protocol or providing a manual implementation.Protocol.derive(Jason.Encoder, Example, only: [:__struct__, :id, :name, :presences]) Protocol.derive(Jason.Encoder, Example.Presence, only: [:__struct__, :id, :joined_since, :reason]) -
I do fear however that whatever I am doing is misguided. Because when serializing and deserializing such a struct (using the derived protocol from 1.) I made some observations:
iex(14)> Example.build |> Jason.encode!() |> Jason.decode!(keys: :atoms) %{ id: "21be5f01-eef1-4ff1-afd5-a09919a9f26f", name: "Some Guest", __struct__: "Elixir.Example", presences: %{ "bfa4f256-d1d9-416c-a08f-8a04e3b7cc06": %{ id: "b0e55b2f-1541-4987-8b99-b57563584558", reason: "Creation", __struct__: "Elixir.Example.Presence", joined_since: "2025-03-27T12:08:18.791171Z" } } }- At first I was pleasently surprised to discover, that the
keys: :atomsoption did not turn the UUID that is part of thepresenceskey into an atom. That saves me from a self-inflicted atom exhaustion I guess, but I don’t understand why the UUID wasn’t converted. - It however also didn’t “recover” the
DateTime, but left it as a string. I guess this is to be expected, as there is no “proper” JSON representation for date and time. - The resulting
mapsuddenly has the:__struct__“visible” as part of myiexrepresentation. So something about the map I recovered is not quite a “proper” struct.
- At first I was pleasently surprised to discover, that the
This leaves me with the following questions:
- What is a better way to tell Jason to include the
__struct__when serializing? So far I would probably write a manual implementation and re-use that. Or is there a reason I really should not do this? - What is different from a “proper” struct about the map I get from calling
encode!anddecode!? - Should I just abandon the idea of serializing to JSON and “simply” write the binary representation into my PostgreSQL database?
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Nicd
The UUID key in your output is an atom. If it was a string, the syntax would be
"bfa..." => %{instead of"bfa...": %{. As you suspected, this is risky.Your
__struct__key has been included in the JSON as a string, and thus retrieved back as a string. But the value in an Elixir struct is an atom (the module name). So your struct is broken and Elixir shows it as a regular map. Jason doesn’t support decoding data into structs so you’ll need to do that yourself.I’d decode with Jason without supplying
keys: :atoms(because it’s dangerous) and then look for some library to validate/transform the data forward from that point. I think Ecto can also be used for this but I don’t have experience with that.LostKobrakai
Tbh instead of questioning json vs binary to term I’d question if it is a good idea to try to store structs – imo the answer is no.
Structs are a datatype whose lifetime is coupled to the code running. Each time code is changed the potential exists for a struct definition to have changed. Data stored in a db usually has a lifetime longer than that. Therefore you want to lower values to a simpler format and explicitly transform to and from those higher level values.
That transformation layer is is then the place you can use to upcast or downcast between distinct versions of a struct.
westmark
Not a perfect solution to your issue, but I’ve been using data_schema v0.5.0 — Documentation for quite some time now and very happy with it. We have extended it to include a lot more functionality to fit our business case better
mudasobwa
You might want to take a look at
estructuralibrary and specifically toEstructura.Userexample which is solving exactly the issues you’ve described:DateTimestruct)StreamData“instances” for property-based testing.al2o3cr
Nitpick:
buildhere is not building the type that you’ve declared forpresences- it produces a map with atom keys, but the type specifiesEcto.Uuid.t()keys.You’d write it as (not tested, apologies if it’s wrong):
garrison
I think this is the crux of the issue.
In order to rectify this you could create a simple mapping
atom => modulei.e.:my_struct => MyApp.Example.MyStructand store atype: :my_structin each JSON blob. That will at least save you if you ever need to rename your modules.Then you could implement default values in your struct definitions when you add new fields for backwards compatibility. You could also drop fields which are no longer found in the struct. You could add type checking…
And of course by the time you are finished you will have reimplemented Ecto on top of JSON
There are two real, underlying problems here: first, Ecto has no polymorphic embeds (which is what you’re really trying to do with the structs). And second, relational databases fail to properly model polymorphic relations because foreign key references are too rigid (restricted to a single table).
For us, the former problem is probably easier to solve (though personally I am far more interested in the latter).
lud
Shameless plug, you could do something like that:
venkatd
I want to give a shoutout to the library Flint (GitHub - acalejos/flint: Declarative Ecto embedded schemas for data validation, coercion, and manipulation. · GitHub) which we have been using extensively in our app.
You can lean on Ecto to declare schemas and go to and from JSON.
MarcusRiemer
Thank you all, what an amazingly welcoming place producing a plethora of useful information this forum is.
In hindsight I should have clarified that the data that is meant to be stored is comparatively short lived. It’s a long lived process for an asynchronous turn based game and I was mainly looking for a way to make it survive server restarts and possibly periodically storing it away just in case.
I sort of liked the idea to have the data queryable in PostgreSQL as it has some amazing JSON capabilities. But I guess I will go with the YAGNI route and start with the simplest solution (binary storage) and worry about the implications of version updates if I ever make it that far. But I will at least tag the data with some kind of version at the root and hope that I am smart enough to keep in mind bumping that version if I make incompatible changes.
Thanks also for the corrections regarding the atom keys, I missed the fact that it’s the delimiter between key and value that tells me the type of the key. The fact that I missed the
__struct__value is not an atom (representing the module) seems a little embarassing in hindsight, but at least now I really know. And the nitpick regarding the type of the presences key was most welcome as well.Last but not least: Thanks alot for all the library suggestions. It seems like there is a solution for desired level of complexity if I ever make it far enough. That’s reassuring
gregvaughn
You can use a jason library to go from json binary to a graph of Elixir data structures (maps and lists) and then define Ecto embedded schemas to take that as “params” and generate a graph of structs (all Ecto schemas are structs too) using all the
castpower Ecto types offer. I gave a talk a few years back, “Ecto without a DB” exploring that when I worked at a company transforming a lot of json from 3rd party APIs.