ashish173

ashish173

Difference in between :utc_datetime and :naive_datetime in Ecto

I am using Ecto timestamps with postgres, I can see the timestamps() use the :naive_dateime but for my use case I wanted to store the timezone too.

I read a little more here and found out that on the DB end both the fields are the same which is utc time without timezone.

Now, I am a little confused about when should I use :naive_datetime and when :utc_datetime.

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Nicd

Nicd

You should use :utc_datetime unless you have a reason not to. The reason why Ecto’s timestamps() are naive by default is backwards compatibility. Since they are always UTC anyway, you should use :utc_datetime for them (and I believe the default will be changed to that in the future).

The difference between :utc_datetime and :naive_datetime is that the former will ensure that you can only insert UTC DateTimes and will read back UTC DateTime structs from the DB, whereas the latter will remove timezone information when writing and return NaiveDateTimes when you read from the DB.

For most cases, you should use UTC.

BTW, if you need to store the timezone too (in PostgreSQL), you have no option but to use a naive datetime field and store the offset or timezone information separately. This is because PostgreSQL does not have a data type for storing a timestamp with timezone.

There is the confusingly named timestamp with timezone but all it does is convert your input timestamp to UTC and convert it back to whatever your DB connection’s timezone is when reading (so for most cases it’s useless). It does not even store the offset/timezone. So you need to do that yourself somehow.

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OvermindDL1

OvermindDL1

Also, use naive/UTC to store datetimes in the past, use timezones only when storing datetimes in the future, don’t mix them (personal experience). ^.^;

OvermindDL1

OvermindDL1

Exactly, that is why future times should always have a time zone. :slight_smile:

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jung-hunsoo

jung-hunsoo

When You create a new record in default Ecto timestamp, it’ll be created with UTC datetime if you set the DB time zone properly.

Here is the real data.

My local PostgreSQL DB has time zone of ‘Asia/Seoul’(+09:00).
There’s a record created at 2019-12-26 10:50:23.
And in psql, it has 2019-12-26 01:50:23 in inserted_at.

But personally, I don’t think managing/manipulating tz on DB layer is a good idea. Your app will be dependent on PostgreSQL. Being aware of tz in timestamp is nonsense and a root of horror. Timestamp is best when used as UNIX timestamp.

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