stevensonmt
Erlang gets mentioned a lot and there’s a Joe Armstrong name drop at one point when talking about why Pony doesn’t embrace the Erlang “let it fail” philosophy. Really thoughtful discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of the actor model in general. I hope others enjoy.
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D4no0
It was fun until I heard the word classes, I’m out.
mudasobwa
Exactly my reaction when I was brought to school at 6.
dimitarvp
“Reaction”? I clearly remember screaming and crying.
mudasobwa
I saved screaming, crying, and despairing until I saw the so-called Clean Java Code.
sodapopcan
I was looking at Pony years ago before I understood what the actor model was or even had concurrency problems (that I knew of
). I didn’t get very far as it was beyond my comprehension at the time but looking back it’s a very cool language. It does have objects, but it’s not typical OO by any means. For example, it doesn’t have inheritance! Also, Joe Armstrong has highly praised Pony in a talk before saying that it was the only other language that did concurrency properly.
Otherwise, as far as writing off languages with objects go, remember what the “O” in OCaml stands for
dimitarvp
No, that led to loss of faith in humanity.
D4no0
Might be a good pick for low-level stuff, as I don’t see myself picking up rust anytime soon and zig sadly doesn’t offer any solutions to deal with concurrency.
sodapopcan
Ya, that was the other reason I never went further with it… I’m a web dev and years later still am
dimitarvp
On topic: at least two years ago I quicky tired Pony and actually kind of liked it. Gave up on it because the speed of development looked pretty slow, and because there were practically no libraries.
But nowadays I’m not seeing what Pony does better than Rust except (1) being terser which is not a small advantage actually, and (2) much smoother learning curve. Butt I’ll stick to Rust in the statically strongly typed languages area (that compile to native executables).
stevensonmt
Pony’s memory management model seems far more intuitive, at least to me. The idea that you define reference capabilities at initiation of the memory versus tracking lifetimes through a black box borrow checker just makes more sense. I will admit I have yet to write any Pony code so I don’t know if it would be nicer in practice.