c13e

c13e

I’m learning Haskell at the moment and contrasting its semantics with Elixir as I go.

In Haskell, if I create the following naive & inefficient prime number checker:

factors n = [x | x <- [1..n], n `mod` x == 0]
prime n = factors n == [1, n]

and run it against a large number like 10^9, it returns False immediately thanks to lazy evaluation as soon as a mismatch occurs.

> prime 1000000000
False

If I do the same in Elixir, the eager evaluation will try to compute all the factors of 10^9 first, which is very slow with this implementation.

factor = &(for x <- 1..&1, rem(&1, x) == 0, do: x)
prime = &(factor.(&1) == [1, &1])
prime.(1000000000)
# hangs

The two evaluation strategies make sense to me but I somehow still find it surprising that the BEAM runtime can’t optimize away the matching against 2-element list and instead carries on the computation past the (sufficient) first 2 evaluations of factor.(1000000000).

I guess despite the eager evaluation, I was still expecting some sort of treacherous optimization from the BEAM :slight_smile:

Can someone enlighten me as to why this kind of constrained optimization can’t or doesn’t happen in languages with eager evaluation? Thanks!

Showing Posts 1 to 3

Qqwy

Qqwy

TypeCheck Core Team

Here is the code one more time, but now as more idiomatic Elixir with named functions in a module (rather than anonymous functions in IEx).

defmodule StrictExample do
  def factor(val) do
    for x <- 1..val, rem(val, x) == 0 do
      x
    end
  end

  def prime(val) do
    factor(val) == [1, val]
  end

  def is_large_number_prime() do
    prime(1000000000)
  end
end

It indeed has to do with the order of evaluation.
Haskell, being powered by a STG (Spineless Tagless graph-reduction machine), will move execution from the ‘goal’ back to where it originates.

In this example, it will indeed try to match [1, n] with the outcome of factors n. Indeed because of laziness is Haskell able to stop once two elements have been read from the output list of factor.

However, on the BEAM, we do not have this context-switching between looking at multiple parts of the output. Instead, for an operation like == we first evaluate both operands, and then check whether they are equal.

The optimization you expect here is (in eager languages) both rather limited in usefulness for practical applications, as well as rather high-level in the sense that as a human it seems obvious but for a compiler it would require many steps of intermediate reasoning.

To make an explicitly lazy implementation in Elixir, you can do this:

defmodule LazyExample do
  def factor(val) do
    # A lazy enumeration of all prime factors of `val`
    Stream.filter(1..val, &rem(val, &1) == 0)
  end

  def prime(val) do
    # We force the stream here, but only look at the first two elements.
    Enum.take(factor(val), 2) == [1, val]
  end

  def is_large_number_prime() do
    prime(1000000000)
  end
end

In this implementation, prime(1000000000) will indeed execute very fast.

c13e

c13e OP

Thank you so much for the clear explanation!

It makes more sense now given that such context switching strategy doesn’t happen in the BEAM or play well with eager evaluation in general.

Haskell’s STG sounds fascinating, will look into it :thinking:

kip

kip

ex_cldr Core Team

For those like my treading this path for the first time, here’s a good starting point: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/1992/04/spineless-tagless-gmachine.pdf

— All posts loaded —

Where Next? Top

Trending in Questions Top

katta
I having some trouble figuring out if I have set myself too strict of standards for my production server. Currently I can handle 75% of r...
New
brecabral
Documentation While reading the Scoped Routes section, I noticed that the documentation currently refers to a problem without explainin...
New
nseaSeb
Hello, I know there is an approach for handling lists that allows for optimized traversal, but I can’t recall the specific method (somet...
New
kpanic
Hi everyone, I am toying with the idea of building a “match maker” for giving personal help to people that wants to start coding. I sta...
New
velrest
So my question is quite simple and i have found no conclusive answer on forum, google or AI. Should we use :erlang.float for Integer to ...
New
asweet-confluent
I recently noticed that Elixir’s Logger defaults its primary log level to :debug when no :logger, :level application configuration is pre...
New
apz
I’m new to elixir and just tried to install the elixirLS extension for VScode(ium) and it is throwing some errors that I would like help ...
New

Other Trending Topics Top

woylie
Flop 0.29.0 has been released. Added Add Flop.allowed_fields/2, which returns the fields that may be filtered or sorted for the given ...
New
GenericJam
Edit: 2026 May 15 - This post is archived. Mob is alive!! Main docs: mob v0.7.11 — Documentation A bit of explanation for the slightly c...
New
JesseHerrick
Hey, I’m Jesse and I’m the main contributor behind Dexter, a full-featured, lightning-fast Elixir LSP optimized for large codebases. It s...
New
mudasobwa
I am happy to introduce the very α version of the new programming language compiled to BEAM. Welcome Cure. It has literally three kille...
New
garrison
Hobbes is a low-level distributed database for the Elixir programming language. Hobbes provides a simple, safe, and scalable storage lay...
New
mhanberg
Hi everyone! The first release candidate for the Expert language server project is now available! We’ve published a press release detai...
New

We're in Beta

About us Mission Statement

Options

Thread Display Mode




Thread Preview

Skip Thread Previews