TwistingTwists
I know that Whatsapp uses some custom implementation of ejabberd. - which is used for messaging between two clients.
Since Phoenix PubSub also has that bi-directional communication over websockets,it CAN work be used in realtime (soft realtime, not accurate to the 1/100 of a second) .
I am confused between XMPP vs Phoenix PubSub. My questions are ![]()
- For what use cases XMPP is strictly better than Phoenix PubSub?
- What are the differences between ejabberd vs Phoenix PubSub ?
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hauleth
These are completely orthogonal things.
Phoenix.PubSubis an helper library for exchanging messages between Erlang nodes.It is not comparable at all.
TwistingTwists
Thanks for clarification.
I guess my question is :
cmo
Check out the docs for PubSub and Channels. I think you may be conflating the two.
hauleth
No,
Phoenix.PubSubdo not use WS, it do not use Phoenix at all. It is my biggest gripe with that library, that there isphoenixin its name. It is completely independent from any web or Phoenix technology. It uses defined transport (by defaultpgwhich uses Distributed Erlang), but it can use any other messaging technology out there.These also are orthogonal. WebSocket is more like transport protocol (like TCP, but a little bit higher level as it utilises TCP underneath) and XMPP is data protocol (more like HTTP).
Technically - yes, but it would be IMHO a little bit pointless, as it would introduce a lot of overhead with encoding and decoding all that XMLs. So instead it would be better to use for example Kafka or PostgreSQL
LISTEN/NOTIFY.TwistingTwists
I will read more about protocols.
Thank you so much for clarifications.
derek-zhou
I sense some X/Y problem here. It would probably be better if you state what objective you want to achieve first, so other people can make recommendations for you to choose from.
TwistingTwists
Thanks @derek-zhou
Indeed an X/Y problem. (thanks for naming it for me)
What I wanted - to make a simple chat application. with tracking.
I already achieved chat and tracking using
Phoenix.Presence.Then I came across ejabberd. And was confused as it also enables chatting and messaging. I did the same thing without it.
Why would I need to use ejabberd at all ?
Why bother with XMPP ? Phoenix uses websockets which are working great for me sofar.
Ejabberd felt like something ‘meant for’ chat application and I am completely unaware about why or why not to use it instead of simple phoenix app.
derek-zhou
Ejabberd or XMPP in general is meant for an industrial strength chat application with a rich and extensible set of functionalities, on a federated network governed by multiple entities. You may or may not need that.
Using Phoenix Liveview one put together a simple chat application quickly. I have one too:
I do not even use PubSub/Presence. There is more than one way to do it
TwistingTwists
What is a good indication that one needs to use ejabberd and it gives some clear benefits to other approaches ?
hauleth
When you need protocol (because you want to exchange messages with systems that are out of your control) go with ejabberd. If you want internal system communication then
Phoenix.PubSubis a solution.