patryk.it

patryk.it

Hi guys!

My question is related to the file encoding topic. I’m working on a feature that allows users to upload a CSV file that might be in different charset. It’s not only about UTF-8 and I need to detect given encoding and then parse data.

In Golang, Python, Java, C++, Objective-C we have UniversalDetector/chardet libraries. Do we have something similar to the Elixir/Erlang usage? I’m stuck with this.

How are you working with the different charsets/encodings in Elixir applications? I know - that’s not the main problem to which was designed this language, but I won’t use erlports or AWS Lambda only for detecting charset. :frowning:

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LostKobrakai

LostKobrakai

nimble_csv supports converting data to utf-8 before parsing / converting from utf-8 before dumping. By default it even ships NimbleCSV.Spreadsheet, which uses utf-16 le to work with excel csv’s. But you’ll need to setup a module per encoding.

patryk.it

patryk.it OP

Thanks for your reply.
You’re right - NimbleCSV supports encoding converting (via :encoding option), but my problem is that I don’t know the encoding of the incoming file. It may be UTF-8 or many different, like these with German characters.

When I’m trying to parse a CSV with German characters I got

no function clause matching in CSV.Decoding.Preprocessing.Lines.starts_sequence?/5

Meh. Do I need to port chardet from the other languages? I’m stuck with this problem.

LostKobrakai

LostKobrakai

I know that’s why I explicitly only quoted you asking for the parsing part.

Generally I’d suggest you trying utf-16 le. If the csv comes out of excel this will be the encoding. If you really need the dark arts of detecting encoding (especially if no byte order mark is set) then you’ll need to wait for the input of people more knowledgeable in that than myself.

I’ve by now just let people copy and paste out of excel into a textarea, which results in csv format getting pasted as well.

NobbZ

NobbZ

There is no way to get what you want.

Ask your clients to upload using a specified charset only.

If you see the single byte 0xC4, that could be a latin-1 encoded Ä, though in ISO-8859-5 (kyrillic) it would be as valid as with latin-1 though encoding a different character, the Ф.

Therefore it is impossible to detect the encoding without knowing the content in advance.

What you describe from the other languages, is usually a very dumb heuristic.

  1. Check if the input is valid UTF-8/16/32 by corresponding validators, perhaps even helped by a BOM
  2. If not, fall back to a single byte encoding derived from the hosts local settings
patryk.it

patryk.it OP

Anyway thanks a lot for trying to help! Yes, I don’t have BOM set in these files.

I’m waiting for encoding hero. :smiley:

harmon25

harmon25

Tried out a package today called ExMagic that is a nif wrapper around ‘libmagic’… If running the ‘file’ Unix command helps determine the text encoding (not sure if it does) you might get something meaningful from ExMagic by passing it some raw binary… could get away with just the first 2kb or so of the file

ondrej-tucek

ondrej-tucek

I think that the file cmd does, see lesmana’s reply. In short

$ file -i *
umlaut-iso88591.txt: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
umlaut-utf16.txt:    text/plain; charset=utf-16le
umlaut-utf8.txt:     text/plain; charset=utf-

There are also another unix cmds: enca or uchardet. So connect them via ports…

harmon25

harmon25

Nice!
Not sure if the ExMagic package is running the code with the equivalent option to -i to actually get back the encoding - think it just returns the mime… might be an easy tweak though.

evadne

evadne

The libMagic route is definitely worth considering. I have a library for that. Low profile, but working.

https://github.com/evadne/gen_magic

harmon25

harmon25

I ended up using ExMagic as it is just a Niff wrapper without any processes/gen_server.

I am curious though, you mention this:

The Server should be run under a pool which provides concurrency and resiliency

Is that really necessary? I may not fully understand Niffs - does calling a niff function get serialized somehow? I figured if you were calling the niff from say multiple beam processes they would all just invoke the C code independently of each other, and not require being wrapped in a pool for concurrent access?

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