shahryarjb

shahryarjb

How to add and install deps without stopping phoenix server (hex package)

I have written Need advice to implement custom extension and template installation in an elixir CMS post that I need your suggestion to improve my project. Still, I decided to separate some questions into different topics.

Is there a way when my application is running, I add some packages in my mix.exs without stopping the server, and it should be compiled and usable?

I searched about hot code reloading in Elixir, but I could not find anything about hex packages. I am using elixir 1.13+

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shahryarjb

shahryarjb OP

Any suggestions?

kokolegorille

kokolegorille

Yes…

Don’t do it.

BTW It’s easy to check it is not possible, just try to edit mix.exs of a running server :slight_smile:

hauleth

hauleth

It is not possible as adding new dependency may require recompilation of other dependencies, and there is no way for Elixir to know that (it is knowledge that only Mix has).

LostKobrakai

LostKobrakai

The beam has means to load code at runtime. But that’s all it does: Load arbitrary code.

All the additional requirements like replacing running processes, dependency management and such are afaik still handled at compile time when building the release to update to. That’s the data in the appup file mentioned in places.

These points may not matter for plugins on a CMS. At best files loaded are completely independent of each other and have no compile time dependencies to each other, but there’s nothing in elixir or on the beam to enforce that at runtime.

dimitarvp

dimitarvp

Wouldn’t this be possible with the new Mix.install facility? But I haven’t checked.

crispinb

crispinb

I’m pretty sure this is the correct advice:

As a thought experiment, there might be a convoluted and risky way. I’m not remotely suggesting you actually do this, but I’d be interested to hear from knowledgeable folk here about what I have right here (& not).

You can add dependencies at runtime using Mix.install (as commonly used in LiveBook).

But Mix.install can’t be used within a Mix project (it works by dynamically creating a new one). So you’d need to do something like host and run elixir scripts, maybe similarly to LiveBook (I don’t know how that works). But the packages installed within those scripts wouldn’t be available to regular Phoenix projects, which obviates the point. You could perhaps work around that by running scripts which each set up their own Phoenix-like pipeline (eg. as a starting point example phoenix.exs · GitHub). Or (more realistically perhaps) create a custom plugin API allowing the CMS’s Phoenix process to call on these added scripts functionality via message passing.

[sorry @dimitarvp , didn’t mean to step on your toes]

shahryarjb

shahryarjb OP

Unfortunately, I don’t know what developers want to create; create a hex package with many dependencies or no dependencies

My problem comes from when my user has no knowledge of elixir and just a user who want to use my CMS.

kokolegorille

kokolegorille

It was a demo for You… to test that the server will complain when You modify the mix.exs file of a running server and reload the page.

shahryarjb

shahryarjb OP

I think if I handle it with docker is better option instead of elixir side. And I think downtime is too low to know user 's site is down or not.

kokolegorille

kokolegorille

You might have security problems if You allow users to load random modules.

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