highmountaintea
There is an oracle on the moon, who can give profound answers to all questions. The oracle is all knowing, but requires a minute or two to ponder each question before answering. Luckily he has 4 brains, so he can ponder 4 questions simultaneously. Unfortunately the oracle has very bad memory, so if you ask the same question over and over again, he will have to think about it every time.
How do we write an OracleServer in Elixir that can query the oracle for answers? It needs to do the following:
- allow multiple people to ask questions at once, because the oracle has 4 brains
- cache all the answers, to avoid asking repeat questions
- if person A asks a question, and person B asks the same question while the oracle is still pondering it, OracleServer would smartly avoid sending the same question to the oracle again, but informs both A and B when the answer comes back
- the answer is not always 42
Obviously it’s a thinly disguised way to describe a well known problem. I am familiar with solutions in other languages, but am having trouble figuring out how to do it in Elixir.
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kartheek
Welcome @highmountaintea to elixir.
Cachex can help you adding cache to your app.
One thing I did not understand from your question is you want to write as learning exercise or use it in a project.
GenServers and Agent can hold data in memory. They can be used to store state or data in memory. Best fit if you want to implement a Cache as a learning exercise.
Cachex can be used directly as cache in your project if you are looking to just use a cache library - like fetch some config from source and store in memory, refresh every n seconds, etc.
highmountaintea
Hi Kartheek. It’s not meant for an exercise or an existing project. I am more interested in understanding how things are done in Elixir.
I did consider using Agent for this particular problem, but I am not sure if it would really satisfy my conditions as set above.
I took a look at Cachex you mentioned, but can you give an example of how Cachex would help prevent the situation I mentioned above?
if person A asks a question, and person B asks the same question while the oracle is still pondering it, OracleServer would smartly avoid sending the same question to the oracle again, but informs both A and B when the answer comes backcmo
You need to keep track of the question and who has asked it. When you have the answer, you send it to the references you kept track of. When a GenServer receives a call, you have the return address. Keep track of it.
awaiting = %{”Why?" => [pid<0.90.0>, pid<0.765.0>]}Do you want all the questions & answers kept in memory, on disk or in a db?
You’re going to need a worker pool. Do you want to write that too or use a library?
kartheek
Is this is the same thing you are looking for ?
Cachex takes care of these things automatically.
highmountaintea
Hi cmo, thanks for your answer. So when the answer is available, what mechanism should I use to send the answer back to the requester(s)? I think I can send a plain message, but is there a more OTP way of doing it?
Also, if we are awaiting for answer inside the OracleServer, would it result in blocking, preventing others from asking questions simultaneously?
highmountaintea
Hi kartheek, I am still trying to digest the fallback mechanism fully, but I think it is what I am looking for.
It’s nice to have a caching library that handles it automatically.
highmountaintea
Forgot to answer your other questions…
Do you want all the questions & answers kept in memory, on disk or in a db?memoryYou’re going to need a worker pool. Do you want to write that too or use a library?I would prefer to use a librarycmo
Ok well you’ll probably want to use ETS to cache your answers and there are a few worker pool libraries. Poolboy is a pretty common choice.
No problem just sending the messages.
Elixir In Action is super helpful in exposing you too all this sort of stuff.
highmountaintea
Ha, this question did spring into my mind while I was reading Elixir In Action
I remembered that each handle_call is blocking, so was trying to figure out how to design a non-blocking server that also handles caching.
Maybe I should re-read chapter 7 again, and some of it might become clear to me.
cmo
See how he keeps track of it in this Port example.