vkryukov

vkryukov

Hello, I just published openai_responses, a very simple wrapper around OpenAI’s new Responses API. From what I understand, this is what they want for developers to use going forward, and the old Chat Completions API is now considered “legacy”.

Granted, it’s v0.1.0, so bugs and rough edges are to be expected at this point.

Here is a X thread with some usage examples. Please let me know what you think!

https://github.com/vkryukov/openai_responses


Why did I create yet another Elixir library for working with LLMs?

I have to confess: I initially developed OpenAI.Responses just to explore the (then newly released) Responses API and experiment with Elixir code generation using LLM agents (Claude Code with Sonnet 3.7 and Cursor + Sonnet 3.7). Since then, I’ve refined it, releasing version 0.4.0 with improved API wrapping.

Ecosystem fragmentation is a known issue, especially in smaller communities like Elixir. So why create another library instead of using existing ones? Two reasons:

  1. Focus on Cutting-Edge APIs: I target OpenAI’s latest, advanced API, prioritizing innovation over supporting a broad range of LLM providers.
  2. Minimalist SDK Approach: Inspired by Dashbit’s SDK philosophy, I aim for minimal abstraction, avoiding heavy frameworks.

No existing solution aligns with these goals, justifying a new library.

Existing Solutions

Four notable libraries exist for LLM integration in Elixir (GitHub stars indicate relative popularity):

  1. LangChain (897 github stars): The most popular, supporting numerous providers with a unified abstraction. Example:

    LLMChain.add_message(Message.new_user!("Where is the hairbrush located?"))
    

    It smooths out provider differences but prioritizes broad compatibility over advanced features. Responses API support is in progress.

  2. Instructor (720 github stars): Unique for enabling structured outputs via Ecto schemas. Revolutionary 1.5 years ago, it’s less critical now as OpenAI and Gemini natively support structured outputs with JSON schema compliance. Although Anthropic’s support of structured output is inconsistent, and smaller providers vary, so Instructor still has its use cases.

  3. OpenAI.Ex (345 github stars): No longer actively maintained (last commit ~11 months ago).

  4. OpenAI_Ex (178 github stars): Actively developed with Responses API support, but primarily focused on the older Chat Completions API.

Why OpenAI.Responses?

For my startup, finding product-market fit is critical. Success won’t hinge on using the cheapest or fastest LLM, but on leveraging a reliable, feature-rich provider like OpenAI. Targeting OpenAI exclusively allows access to cutting-edge features (e.g., image generation, web search, script execution) without worrying about cross-provider portability.

Portability across LLM providers is impractical anyways! Even switching models within OpenAI (e.g., gpt-4o to gpt-4.1) can alter behavior, and different providers require unique optimizations and careful prompt refining.

I also prioritize minimal overhead. Unlike LangChain’s Message.new_user!, I use simple structures like %{role: :user, content: "message"}, which are cleaner and more flexible (e.g., supporting dynamic inputs or YAML). OpenAI.Responses keeps abstraction to a minimum; users can inspect response.body for a well-documented structure. For complex use cases, OpenAI’s documentation is essential anyways, and I avoid adding unnecessary layers.

Finally, by focusing on a single provider, I can realistically support features such as automatic cost calculation; it would be simply impractical to keep in sync with pricing changes across the full ecosystem. I can also experiment with API design, such as chaining of create/2 calls to support the conversation state, a cleaner interface for JSON schema definition, or automatic resolution of tool calls.

Conclusion

By focusing on OpenAI’s latest API and minimizing overhead, OpenAI.Responses offers a lean, modern solution for Elixir developers. I welcome feedback—please share your thoughts!

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restlessronin

restlessronin

@vkryukov Nice! Any reason you didn’t use the openai_ex client (disclaimer I’m the maintainer :innocent:)? I added the responses endpoint a few days ago (although I see from the documentation that they’ve already updated some stuff there, and I’ll need to do one more pass over it).

restlessronin

restlessronin

@vkryukov On a separate note, I noticed that you used Claude Code with this repo. What has been your experience with it?

I have just started looking into it, and I hope they bring some of the features into Claude Desktop (my daily driver).

vkryukov

vkryukov OP

@restlessronin the main reason was that I needed something quick, and I assumed that major libraries (such as LangChain which I use in production) will take a while to implement it. I did check openai_ex’s GitHub homepage but since it didn’t mention responses, I thought they are not implemented yet (and I failed to check the git log).

But also, I wanted something lightweight, in “SDKs with Req” fashion. For example, I use @brainlid’s LangChain in production, because it supports many providers, such as OpenAI/Anthropic/Google/Groq/xAI/many others with just a parameter change, and it is mature and well tested, but the simplest usage example is something like this:

{:ok, updated_chain} =
  %{llm: ChatOpenAI.new!(%{model: "gpt-4o"})}
  |> LLMChain.new!()
  |> LLMChain.add_message(Message.new_user!("Testing, testing!"))
  |> LLMChain.run()

Compare this to just

{:ok, response} = Responses.create("gpt-4o", "Testing, testing!")

Or another example (and this is not a ding to LangChain), to get the number of tokens you need to define a callback function. I understand how it might be useful in some contexts, but it can also be a bit cumbersome in others.

I found that I almost always create simple wrappers, and wanted to design a new library from scratch - without any legacy luggage, like the need to support chat completions or other providers - to be simple and delightful in use.

And of course, last but not the least, it was an excuse to try Claude Code. I am very satisfied with the result of this experiment: it can create something quite useful with minimal guidance.

vkryukov

vkryukov OP

Here’s my subjective experience comparing Claude Code to Cursor, which I use daily as my main tool. (I say “subjective” because, even when the underlying models—like Claude Sonnet 3.7—are the same, these tools differ in their behaviors in ways that are hard to measure.)

Claude Code feels a bit smarter and gets to the “right answer” more quickly, with fewer revisions. In my opinion, it’s about 2-3 times faster, based on the time from when I give a prompt to when I get a mostly working solution.

The trade-off is the cost. I suspect that, like the early days of Uber or Lyft, some venture capital money is being spent to keep prices low for AI code editors. For example, I spent around $5 on Claude Code credits (mostly trying to get streaming to work—more on that later). With Cursor’s $20 monthly subscription for 500 fast requests, that’s like using 125 requests. If I’d done the same task in Cursor, I probably wouldn’t have used more than 10-15 requests—a huge difference. (Also, someone on X recommended trae.ai, which is currently free, because Alibaba or some other Chinese internet giant is paying for your tokens.)

I had two main challenges when creating openai_responses:

  1. The streaming did not work initially, because it didn’t know about Req’s :into parameter and hallucinated that it needs hackney to make it work. The solution, after many trials (including asking Grok 3 to help), was to just drop instructor_ex’s source file which implements streaming and telling Claude, “do it this way”.

  2. The Kino.Frame streaming example in Livebook was originally enclosed with another spawn, and didn’t work (some weird interactions between Elixir processes I guess). Neither Claude nor Grok knew how to fix it until I just decided to try to remove the enclosing spawn, which was really not needed.

Also, the examples it wrote for me to include in Livebook tutorial were overly complex - that’s the only part of the library that I decided to write myself.

vkryukov

vkryukov OP

btw, I suspect that the Enum should be Stream in your tutorial, otherwise it will convert everything into a list before iterating and thus you won’t observe any streaming behavior.

stream.body_stream
|> Stream.flat_map(& &1)
|> Enum.each(fn event ->
restlessronin

restlessronin

My bad. I should have done a better job with setting up some kind of changelog :slightly_frowning_face:

Fair point. Perhaps at some point, Open AI will start doing this and providing multiple lightweight SDKs themselves. In the meantime, my goal was to mirror the complete Open AI SDK in as lightweight a manner as possible.

Based on user feedback/PRs the openai_ex library layered on functionality that I myself was not using / testing (Azure support, Finch pools, Local LLM streaming tweaks, Portkey support, deviations from SSE standards, api key log redaction, etc.) A lot of knowledge from actual use has been baked into the library at this point.

OTOH, it’s unclear if any of this will be important for the Responses API, so perhaps it is a good decision to keep it separate and lightweight.

Another option might be to use ‘openai_ex’ to do the actual call and have a library that provides functionality that layers on top, such as your 'text_deltas" function. I considered adding these helpers at some point but decided that I didn’t understand the individual use cases well enough to decide what was appropriate for everyone.

Good luck with the project in any case :+1:

restlessronin

restlessronin

Ah no. It works correctly. Enum works on enumerables, not lists. In any case, the user guide / tutorial is basically my test suite. It gets run after every change to the API, so something like this would get caught pretty early. Doing it this way also ensures that the documentation is always up to date with the library.

restlessronin

restlessronin

Thanks for taking the time to recount your experience in such detail.

As another data point about workflow/costs for those who are interested:

I tend to use Claude Desktop for most of my coding work, and that’s a fixed price subscription. Once in a while I get rate-limited and have to take a break, and I just switch to Grok-3 (which is pretty good) and gemini-2-pro (much improved, first useful google model) also in the chat window (hence free for the moment). No MCP, so it’s a little less fluid.

I also have API keys for open router (i use their chat window as well), claude and open-api (for use in zed or cline). I don’t like the AI IDE interfaces in general, and they seem to burn through credits much faster in ways that I don’t understand.

Initial impressions of Claude Code is that it enables more agentic workflows where it goes off and does a bunch of stuff for you. I still have to get used the UI though. Not crazy about cost, though it seems, if anything, a little lower than using API key via the IDEs. I have the impression that not all IDEs may be using cached context (= lower price), but that’s just speculation

restlessronin

restlessronin

I have added a CHANGELOG now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

vkryukov

vkryukov OP

Updated first post with “Why did I create yet another Elixir library for working with LLMs?”

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