When learning, what order of books did you start with?

Yes. I enjoyed it very much. Joe has a fun writing style and explains concepts clearly.

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No, sorry. Me and writing books don’t go together. It would never be finished. It is bad enough trying to write blogs. I need to get worked up for that to happen, and I usually manage to say something which annoys people. :smile:

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I did. In my opinion the second edition of this book is the first one to read in order to start learning Erlang or Elixir.

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It’s been some time since this thread was posted in and so as more people will have read more books, I’m wondering whether more of you can add your thoughts to this thread - perhaps a pattern will emerge that might help those new to Elixir :slight_smile:

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In terms of Erlang books, I’d definitely recommend Joe Armstrong’s “Programming Erlang: Software for a Concurrent World”. In particular, I got alot out of these chapters:
Part III — Concurrent and Distributed Programs
Part IV — Programming Libraries and Frameworks
Part V — Building Applications

There are differences between Elixir, but I found the basic concepts/mechanisms regarding concurrency and distributed computing to be relatively the same.

Plus Joe Armstrong is an excellent writer. His blog at http://joearms.github.io/ is worth checking out.

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i’m halfway through the Programming Elixir 1.3. I want to build a web app from scratch using elixir and phoenix.
What books, in what order, should I read to do that ?

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If You are interested in the web, maybe Programming Phoenix is the book for You.

There is a new release coming soon, covering the latest version, but I don’t know when…

One day or another, You will meet OTP. Then You will need a good sip of Elixir.

You will maybe find useful to learn Erlang, because it is the root of all… Like learning latin to understand how italian language was built upon.

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Is this order good ?
I thought about this one :

  1. Progamming Elixir
  2. Elixir in Action
  3. The little Elixir & OTP Guidebook
  4. Designing for Scalability with Erlang/OTP
  5. And finally Programming Phoenix
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Sounds good!

This is what I’ve done so far (see my reviews in their respective threads too):

50% Programming Elixir
100% Elixir in Action
Remaining 50% Programming Elixir
PragDave’s online course
Currently going through the Phoenix Guides while waiting for Programming Phoenix 1.3 to be updated :slight_smile:

I highly recommend everything I have read and done so far - not regretted any of it :003:

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I consider building complex projects so for me OTP is important. This is why I want to go deep in it by reading
3. The little Elixir & OTP Guidebook
4. Designing for Scalability with Erlang/OTP

This why i Want the opinion of someone who read those two books.

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Elixir in Action did a great job imo. He actually walks you through building a server from scratch before moving on to Genservers. - which I found really helpful in understanding them.

I’ve got the Little Elixir & OTP Guidebook and hope to get to it at some point :003:

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Good Luck mate :slight_smile:

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Went with Erlang and OTP in Action first. Got it a long time ago and it most of what’s in there still seems as relevant. Lot of real world situations are outlined in it; it’s well written overall but not sure how it compares to the others mentioned above

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My suggestion is a more “dynamic ordering”:

  1. Programming Elixir 1.3 (November 2016)
  2. Designing for Scalability with Erlang/OTP (June 2016)
  3. Programming Phoenix 1.3 (June 2018)
  4. Programming Phoenix (April 2016)
    4*) The Little Elixir & OTP Guidebook (September 2016)
    5*) Elixir in Action (June 2015)
    5*) Elixir in Action 2e (2018 (>=Q2))

(1) You already started this, so keep going. (I got to Ch20 on the v1.2 edition)

(2) Given your statement of wanting to build a web app with Phoenix a Phoenix book should be right here. But Programming Phoenix deals with 1.1.6 and ideally you’d want to catch the 1.3 edition - and you personally put it at the end of your list. Given that you have expressed a strong interest in OTP I’d put DSEO here (so far I made it to Chapter 9, implementing the examples in Elixir). The example application is a Base Station Controller.

Chapter 2 has a whirlwind tour of Erlang which should be enough to get you going (by that point in time I had FPE and CPE under my belt) however if you need an additional reference consult LYSE if you get stuck.

Progressing through the initial chapters in the book find the equivalent portions of the relevant Elixir official documentation - for example GenServer for “Chapter 4 Generic Servers”. That way you’ll acquire up to date Elixir knowledge.

Drawing parallels for the deployment chapters becomes a bit more difficult because some of the nitty gritty being discussed is being managed for the most part by mix (though the book discusses rebar3 a little later on) and distillery in Elixir.

Note that Chapter 6 discusses gen_fsm which has since been deprecated in favour of gen_statem - so dig through the Erlang documentation and use gen_statem instead (there isn’t an Elixir equivalent anyway).

In Chapter 7 Event Handlers stick to Erlang so that you know how gen_event works (Elixir’s GenEvent has been deprecated - though Logger will still use gen_event).

(3) Programming Phoenix 1.3 in this position is kind of a floater. You kind of want to wait for the 1.3 edition. But don’t wait for the final release and get in on it as the beta becomes available (and give any feedback if you can on the PragProg forum). For the beta the book will become available in pieces - so you can switch to your other main resource in the any gaps that you may experience.

(4*) Given that you are committed to DSEO I think that this one may be kind of optional (I own it but haven’t read it). There have been some interesting changes in Elixir’s OTP since the book’s release in September 2016 so I think that DSEO + official Elixir documentation will give you more up to date knowledge. But if you find DSEO a bit heavy going it is certainly an option to switch to this to get some more background first. And it’s also an option to skim through this after completing DSEO.

(5*) The primary reason this is last is because it is the oldest book (Elixir 1.0.x/Erlang 17.x) AND because there may be a new edition in the second half of 2018. In some ways I prefer it to Programming Elixir 1.3 because it feels like “learning to use Elixir the Erlang/BEAM way”. As such it gets faster to the point; you are being introduced to the concurrency primitives by chapter 5, GenServer by Chapter 6, and in Chapter 11 you are piecing together a web server from cowboy, plug, httpoison, etc.

Again this book could be a good option to switch to if you find DSEO a bit hard going early on.

Now there may be a MEAP and that would be an excellent opportunity to get in on the updated content when it becomes available (in bits and pieces) while you have another study resource to return to/work through.

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Your order is almost exactly what I’m following except I would add Introducing Elixir before Programming Elixir as Dave sometimes uses something without explaining it first. I only noticed that a couple times but it’s enough to force you to go look up something which takes you out of your flow.

Manning is coming out with Phoenix in Action as a MEAP soon so that might be another one to look at down the line depending on how comfortable you are after reading Programming Phoenix 1.3+.

I’ve also gotten through about 40% of Dave’s course on coding gnome. It is really good so far. He does have some opinionated architecture methodology but it’s still nice to see the thought process.

I’m kind of on a Elixir learning hiatus as I’m exploring whether Elixir and Phoenix is the right stack for my side project or whether it’s overkill for the sake of using a new stack.

So instead, I’m currently focusing on getting a solid understanding of Advanced JavaScript and then React and React Native. Languages and tools are just a means to an end. So, I’m trying to be pragmatic about the most appropriate stack for the job. I’ll definitely continue the Elixir and Phoenix learning soon.

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I feel like I’m one of the only people that did not read any books to learn elixir but rather just read the source… ^.^;

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I thought erlang programmers are humble :slight_smile: ! I saw that u have been using erlang for more than a decade. Learning Elixir won’t be a problem for you I guess.

Me, I’m a chemical engineer who chose to learn programming using Elixir. I can’t read Elixir source from day 1.

However, thank you for your comment.

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In that case your reading/study list is somewhat ambitious as the books have been written for an audience with previous programming experience (or previous web development experience in the case of Phoenix).

I wonder if you should consider Learn Functional Programming with Elixir as your #2 book to let things sink in before moving on. I personally haven’t read the book but maybe somebody who has can chime in.

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I’m halfway through Programming Elixir. I was very slow at understanding first, but now i can actually read Elixir code without any problem. Thanks for the advice though.
I will follow the order you suggested, because it seems very interesting

  1. Programming Elixir 1.3 (November 2016) (50% done)
  2. Designing for Scalability with Erlang/OTP (June 2016)
  3. Programming Phoenix 1.3 (June 2018)
  4. Programming Phoenix (April 2016)
    4*) The Little Elixir & OTP Guidebook (September 2016)
    5*) Elixir in Action (June 2015)
    5*) Elixir in Action 2e (2018
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