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								<p>Why would you base your decision on some votes by random people? And I wonder what result you think you’ll get, considering this is an Elixir forum?</p>
<p>Spend some time to evaluate both frameworks and pick the one you are most comfortable with.</p> 
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<p>My impression in the majority of the responses is that Phoenix is great but not better than Django.</p>
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<p>I haven’t read the posts in any great detail but I can tell you that Elixir/Phoenix users are confident enough in their choice to use it that we are not afraid to highlight the positives of other languages/frameworks <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Personally I think Phoenix is the best web framework out there and I think the opening chapters in the Phoenix book really do an amazing job of explaining why. Check out this post:</p>
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    I’ll start with something that is <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/programming-phoenix-pragprog/5883/18" rel="nofollow">fresh in my mind</a> - the opening chapter (and preface) to <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/programming-phoenix-pragprog/5883" rel="nofollow">Programming Phoenix</a> <img width="20" height="20" src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/heart_eyes.png?v=15" title="heart_eyes" alt="heart_eyes" class="emoji"> 
It made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up! 

You can read both the preface and the introductory chapter for free! 
Here are some of the topics it covers: 

Rails Developers Seeking Solutions
Dynamic Programmers Looking for a Mature Environment
Java Developers Seeking More
Erlang Developers Doing Integrated Web Development
Heat Seekers

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Speed
Concurrency
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<p>Also see this thread:</p>
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    Two reasons for this thread: 

Am genuinely interested in hearing what everyone loves about the language
Perhaps we can use quotes from this thread in future marketing initiatives <img width="20" height="20" src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title="003" alt="003" class="emoji emoji-custom">

Feel free to use separate paragraphs for different things (might make it easier for different projects to use your quotes that way). 
So, please tell us, what do YOU love about Elixir? <img width="20" height="20" src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/a/af393cb8cedadfa17ff6dcccacb282d1cfd30071.gif?v=15" title="049" alt="049" class="emoji emoji-custom">
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<p>Hope that helps, and at the end of the day, just use what makes you happy or what you think is best for your project - pretty much what I think most people in this thread are likely saying <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a1c41c89c299189a3f85edfeb4973563d8bac781.gif?v=15" title=":023:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":023:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p><a class="mention" href="/u/astonj" rel="nofollow">@AstonJ</a> thanks a lot you are always helpful, and yes Elixir/Phoenix community is the best! I think I will concentrate on Elixir, Phoenix, and Ecto.  Django will be second.</p> 
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								<p>Like I said before, the django admin can be huge time saver. On the other hand if you need to deal with concurrency or background tasks then Phoenix will be so much nicer to work with.</p>
<p>Also after working with Elixir and its functional nature it’s kinda tricky to go back to mutable classes. It’s really so easy to reason about your code in Elixir which helps tracking down bugs.</p>
<p>If you need dynamic or live-upating HTML views then Phoenix live view is also a very nice feature. Sure, it can be done with javascript + websockets, but there’s way more complexity involved!</p>
<p>And finally working with GraphQL is amazing in Elixir - especially in combination with subscriptions. In Django we had very bad experiences, like huge perfomance drops once the datasets reached a certain size. Absinthe (the GraphQL library for Elixir) on the other hand was very fast and stable, even with complex workloads. It also outperformed Apollo (a node.js implementation) in our tests on complex workloads (deep trees).</p> 
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								<p>I’m curious too.  I consistently see flask benching as one of the slowest python web frameworks, even slower than ror.</p> 
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								<p>Don’t listen to me.  I saw flask, thought python, and in my head was thinking about japronto.</p> 
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<p>japronto is actually <em>very</em> fast for python yeah.  ^.^</p> 
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<p><em>very</em> fast for <strong>python</strong></p>
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<p>Web browsers aren’t implemented with JavaScript - but only “scripted” with it.</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/squeaky-pl/japronto" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">japronto</a></p>
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<p>The server is written in hand tweaked C trying to take advantage of modern CPUs. It relies on picohttpparser for header &amp; chunked-encoding parsing while uvloop provides asynchronous I/O. It also tries to save up on system calls by combining writes together when possible.</p>
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<p>Sounds like this thing is implemented in C and scripted with Python.</p>
<p>So any Python code it has to execute (or wait for) is only going to slow it down. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p><a href="https://medium.freecodecamp.org/million-requests-per-second-with-python-95c137af319" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">A million requests per second with Python</a></p>
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<p>Japronto is written almost entirely in C. The parser, protocol, connection reaper, router, request, and response objects are written as C extensions.</p>
<p>Japronto tries hard to delay creation of Python counterparts of its internal structures until asked explicitly. For example, a headers dictionary won’t be created until it’s requested in a view. All the token boundaries are already marked before but normalization of header keys, and creation of several str objects is done when they’re accessed for the first time.</p>
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