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								<p>Thanks for the clarification but you are still very unfair.</p>
<p>There are a ton of technical and provable arguments for Phoenix and against many other frameworks. Do you challenge, for example, the notion of Erlang’s OTP being a suboptimal runtime as opposed to others? Nobody else has the advantages of Erlang’s runtime – maybe only the Rust community is working very hard to bring up a similar runtime to life. Green threads, extremely fast GC, the actor model, resiliency to failure, stability under high load / pressure, ability to monitor tasks and sub-tasks out of the box, the list goes on and on. Did you provide, point by point, alternatives that do the same – or better?</p>
<p>You cannot simply discount technical argument as “belittling”. It’s not an objective thing to say.</p>
<p>You are entitled to believe anything you like. But don’t degrade your opponents by calling their <em>technical</em> arguments “belittling”. That’s not a respectful discussion technique and borders on a table argument over a few beers.</p> 
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								<p>It’s ok to highlight the strengths and weaknesses of platforms (so long as it is done so constructively and fairly - and this applies to non Elixir languages and frameworks too) <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Phoenix has more to offer than just scalability though - LiveView for one <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> other things include it not having to be your application, just a component of it, which lets you build your app to suit your needs (check out <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/elixir-for-programmers-pragdave-currently-on-offer-for-30/6335" rel="nofollow">PragDave’s course</a> for more on this). I’m not saying Phoenix can’t be improved or extended to make it even more appealing (it can) just that there are enough compelling reasons to use it today (and, as we know, many people do).</p>
<p>With regards to learning resources, Elixir is incredibly lucky to have so many - check out our <a class="hashtag-cooked" href="/c/learning-resources/books/57" data-type="category" data-slug="books" data-id="57" data-style-type="square" data-ref="learning-resources:books" rel="nofollow"><span class="hashtag-icon-placeholder"><svg class="fa d-icon d-icon-square-full svg-icon svg-node"><use href="#square-full"></use></svg></span><span>Learning Resources &gt; Books</span></a> section. I don’t think there is any language that is of similar age that has so many.</p> 
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								<p>Yes I agree I use Phoenix myself, it’s just not as mature as Python or Django, like it or not.  But like I said Phoenix got potential, maybe this year.</p> 
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								<p>It is and it isn’t <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/7/776053aa22968f83c10e90c98b23aa0ddd5c9d47.gif?v=15" title=":lol:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":lol:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Erlang is one of the most mature platforms out there and Elixir is built upon that <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/6/6c3193d1dd46244da3c8c6f719c9f5e2abdd5ae8.gif?v=15" title=":003:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":003:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>But yes, Phoenix is not as old as Python (sometimes that isn’t a bad thing…) and there are pros and cons to everything. For some Python or Rails will make sense, for others, Phoenix - it’s all good, we each have to determine what fits our needs best <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a1c41c89c299189a3f85edfeb4973563d8bac781.gif?v=15" title=":023:" class="emoji emoji-custom" alt=":023:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>I looked and I’m not seeing anything specific that Phoenix needs to do to “mature”.</p> 
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<p>This is what I found and you’ll notice, I hope, that it’s incredibly non-specific.</p> 
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								<p>I think it’s very specific.  Which part you wanted to expand?</p> 
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								<p>I also wish the community was larger.</p>
<p>One of the things I liked the most about Rails is that you can ask a question on Stack Overflow and get a response in ~15 minutes or less, and it will either contain the answer or it will link to another question with an accepted answer. I haven’t used Django but it’s probably similar.</p>
<p>I’m also very productive in Phoenix, but if I do get stuck on something I end up spending hours, if not days on it, because there simply aren’t enough people and resources to help. Maybe this is why the language attracts only experienced developers…</p> 
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								<p>Why not post a question here? Response times on the forum are excellent, and chances are your question could help lots of people further down the line (since most people google first).</p>
<p>Alternatively once you’ve found an answer why not post a thread and an answer here or on stack overflow for the benefit of others? I’ve done this a few times even when the answer has been relatively straight forward.</p> 
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