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								<p>Thats the main reason we are all on this forum <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/smiley.png?v=15" title=":smiley:" class="emoji" alt=":smiley:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> You have to get through python or to fully appreciate elixir.</p> 
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								<p>Didn’t say anyone can’t learn it, I said the path to being a dev in Elixir seems to start at a senior level. It’s not really an ‘entry’ level language if you want to start a career in programming. You’re welcome to send me a load of junior level job advertisements if you disagree.</p> 
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								<p>It’s not misguided at all.</p>
<p>Comparing one of the top 3 in demand languages with something that doesn’t even make the top 10+ and assuming they have similar resources levels is what’s misguided. It’s not hard to learn the basic syntax of any language, but learning practical applications in Elixir as a person new to coding is significantly more difficult than learning one of the more popular languages.</p>
<p>I don’t know JQuery, but if I need to do JQuery I’m 99% sure I can do it because it’s always just a google away. Elixir doesn’t have that luxury. I sometimes google how to do things in Ruby because I know it’s more likely to get me a result than how to do it in Elixir. Learning resources are an important part of learning, and Elixir has far fewer learning resources than Python so it is not as easy to learn.</p>
<p>If you have a dedicated teacher its a whole different story though, but as a random on the internet they aren’t the same difficulty.</p> 
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								<p>Python is a toy language, Elixir isn’t</p> 
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								<p>I hear that your experience learning Elixir hasn’t been as easy as with other languages and I share your frustration that there are very few junior/mid level jobs. That doesn’t mean everyone else has a hard time learning it or finding a job. People click with different paradigms and learn differently. Personally, I came from Python and .NET because I could not understand how to build an application with their concurrency models. Millions of other people manage to do so and that’s great for them. Also, I was pretty inexperienced in programming at the time.  I’m certainly not the only person with this background.</p>
<p>Sure, there are less junior Elixir jobs around, but that was not what Ann was asking about. One could assume from their post that they’re not even interested in getting a job.</p> 
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								<p>From a quick glance at the jobs board, a lot of Senior positions require 3-4 years of software engineering experience <em>overall</em>.</p>
<p>If that is what passes for senior, then perhaps one shouldn’t be too intimidated by the title. Don’t let it stop you from applying.</p> 
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								<p>Well, sure, if you’re looking for a dedicated teacher that’s a different story.</p>
<p>What kind of things are you googling in Ruby that you can’t find in Elixir??  Other than that Ruby uses a lot of “functional methods” they aren’t exactly alike (well, and the <em>look</em> of the syntax, of course).</p> 
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								<p>Ugh, I use python on a weekly basis and I don’t understand why it does something so abominable.</p> 
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								<p>I mentioned having a dedicated teacher as an example of where the languages would be equivalent in difficulty to learn because it makes the resource levels of the different languages available online less significant. Remember the topic of the discussion is which language is easier to learn. With a teacher any language is equivalent, but with pure internet and book resources Python is easier than Elixir by a long shot.</p> 
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<p>I respectfully disagree with this.</p>
<p>Python may have more learning resources, but that doesn’t necessarily make it easier to learn. C++ has a lot of learning resources and it’s hard as ****. Same with Rust… <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=15" title=":stuck_out_tongue:" class="emoji" alt=":stuck_out_tongue:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Further, I find Elixir’s official documentation 10x easier to read and understand than Python’s (or Ruby’s).</p>
<p>As someone else pointed out, Elixir follows the principle of least surprise much better than Python, thus making it easier to learn.</p>
<p>As far as the language itself, I find Elixir to be <em>extremely</em> simply. Not only simple, but very “small.”</p>
<p>But if you’re talking about frameworks (OTP, Phoenix, Absinthe, Nerves, various libraries etc etc), that’s a different story. BUT… I find most of them to be so much better documented than their counterparts in other languages that it makes them “easy” to learn.</p>
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<p>Also, I prefer when I ask an Elixir question that the top Google hit is official documentation that answers my question perfectly…</p>
<p>Rather than 100 blog posts <em>trying</em> to answer the question well.</p> 
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