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								<p><img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> Typing speed &amp; problem solving skills (specifically, is their first instinct to ask a peer for the answer/help, or research/independently figure it out). The rest of it is practice. If your project requires more algorithmic stuff, then check for math background. If it is IT stuff, I have found people who win programming competitions do really well (the ACM programming competitions during my school days taught me - take a barely sufficient approach, focus on the problem and only the problem, speed of execution, .. something that helped me in my career).</p>
<p>I lost count on the number of people I have interviewed that said they were a top developer, yet, were one-finger typers. But I am old-school. The kids nowadays are just amazing.</p> 
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								<p>What’s wrong with being a one-finger typer? I know plenty of people that are outstanding developers and they either are one-finger typers or have some sort of injury or condition that makes them type slower.</p> 
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								<p>No offense intended to anyone with limitations. Point understood and accepted. To clarify, my context is around someone who comes to me saying they can “crank code” and deserve to be paid more than others in the team because they are “senior” and can produce more .. in that context, I cannot believe that someone who has written a lot of code in their careers is not a touch-typer/type blindfolded. I suspect kids nowadays are learning to type before they are learning to write with a pen .. and of course, you can also argue that writing a lot of code doesn’t mean “productive” ..</p> 
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								<p>I was gonna say… these are the types of arbitrary things some hiring manager has decided is important that really has no bearing on anything.  One of the best developers I ever worked with was a two finger typist with his eyes glued to the keyboard.  He <em>hated</em> typing and had a 14 button mouse with all the common stuff you need (cut/copy/past/cmd-tab/screenshot/etc).  He got **** done and produced some of the nicest code I’ve seen.</p> 
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								<p>I love this forum. Am learning ..<br>
This just makes me feel so old. It is very different .. am still old-school emacs.<br>
Luckily for everyone, am not doing the hiring anymore.<br>
That said, having crossed paths with over 30k developers over my career and having at least 25 CTO/CIOs currently out there who started out as developers I hired .. feel didn’t do wrong.</p>
<p>Apologies to <a class="mention" href="/u/grangerelixx" rel="nofollow">@grangerelixx</a> .. did not mean to distract the forum/question. It is a good one. My point in all this really was that hiring top developers isn’t just about passing a test / being able to answer a coding question. There are a number of factors that make someone thrive/succeed or suffer. Having objective criteria in an interview process does help keep the process fair / avoid unconscious bias, however, it is not a guarantee.</p>
<p>My typing speed comment was a simplification that should be interpreted as “familiarity/prowess” with an IDE or whatever is the current method of “coding”. Unless of course, someone wants to argue that you can be a top developer without ever having turned on a computer ?</p> 
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								<p>Typing speed/style is overrated. Unless someone is doing data entry task - max speed anyone is going to type is directly related clarity of the thought of what one is trying to do.</p>
<p>Hiring is more a business problem, rather than “hiring the best person” problems (as many view it).</p> 
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								<p>I type blindly but with one finger on each hand (except modifiers and stuff). Wrote my first program when I was 13 years old, use PC for about 8 hours a day every day</p>
<p>I guess typing is completely irrelevant to software development and almost all other computer-related jobs</p> 
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								<p>This is what a successful candidate looks like:</p>
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								<p>That is just too funny ..<br>
Thank you for that.</p> 
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								<p>Good old “Ghost in the Shell”!</p>
<p>You know it’s sci-fi when he can type as fast but there’s no lag anywhere.</p> 
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