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								<p>StatelessView, that seems technical correct and easy to grasp. To me it also makes sense as controllers are known for more stateless things: API’s.</p>
<p>Seems StaticView is a popular contender, but unlike StatelessView it gives me a vibe of pre-rendered, for everyone the same bits, no dynamic data (hello {name}) involved vibe.</p>
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<p>Great to see the participation in this topic! Maybe it’ll lead to somewhere, maybe it doen’t but at least we explore the ‘problem’ space together.<img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Throwing some others in to keep the ideas flowing:</p>
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<p><strong>InstantView</strong>: An <strong>instant</strong> refers to an extremely brief period of time, often perceived as a specific point that separates two different states or events.<br>
In everyday language, it denotes a moment that occurs immediately, without any delay. (No socket process start, no diffing, no second render, no long life…just instant) and has a very positieve connotation.</p>
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								<p>FWIW, we don’t use the term “dead view” in the docs, nor we should. We just call them “Views” and “LiveViews”.</p>
<p>I am not sure additional terms are necessary, especially because LiveView ends up being the Controller + View in MVC, so it is more than a View anyway.</p> 
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								<p>I agree we should avoid using deadview and agree with José about naming - if we really need to emphasise whether we’re talking about one or the other we could just say LiveView or a standard (or regular) view.</p>
<p>If José and Chris are happy with this we can edit some of the <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/search?q=deadview%20order%3Alatest" rel="nofollow">older threads</a> to reflect this. Hopefully this will encourage use of the correct terminology moving forward too.</p> 
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								<p>I was thinking it referenced “dead <em>render</em>” in the docs but I was mistaken.  It is in comments, though, if that matters.</p> 
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<p>For what it’s worth, I’m philosophically opposed to rewriting history, no matter what the intentions are behind it. But it’s your site and ultimately your call.</p> 
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								<p>I don’t think it would be an issue correcting older posts so they are in line with the proper terminology (post history would remain in tact). Though if we did do it we’d probably just stick to the titles and/or first post.</p>
<p>Ultimately part of the purpose of this forum is to help the community by doing things like guiding newcomers. If newbies read old threads with incorrect terminology then are more likely to use it, and this creates a burden on the mod team and our community as there will be more things to do/check/correct/explain.</p>
<p>Having said that I have no strong feelings either way at present, but happy to make those changes if José or Chris want us to, or we can just review things later if it becomes an issue or burden.</p> 
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								<p>True, no mention in the docs. DeadView is not in any way endorsed nor official. But the term is used a few times, also by core members. <a href="https://forum.elixirforum.com/t/liveview-feature-to-cancel-second-render/67770/27" rel="nofollow">recent example.</a></p>
<p>Have found discussions from years ago. Somehow the idea of renaming is popular, coming to a decision less so <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>Simply <code>View</code> is quite hard to distinguish in spoken words, not great seo/findability wise and one may be inclined to ask “What kind of view? LiveView or [one of the currently floating options]View?”. The lack of contrast to LiveView is the reason ‘DeadView’ came to use. Human nature called. Pre? View is named in MVC.</p>
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<p>The community seems to favor <code>StaticView</code> up to this point.  It emphasizes that the page is rendered once and does not change dynamically.</p>
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<p>The stateless nature of the view is also mentioned a few times at this forum, making StatelessView a natural -but for newcomers less known- fit.</p>
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<p><strong>[new!]PureView</strong>– pure is well known in the context of functional programming, where functions yield the same output given the same input without side effects from stored state. Also it can be seen as ‘not bundled with controller like LV’, just the view.</p>
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<p>I’m fine with all of them, just want the community to name it consistently and without negative connotation.</p> 
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								<p>I actually really like PureView, but since we’re worried about connotations here, I could see that giving people the impression that they are <em>better</em> than LiveViews.  What’s better Living than Living Pure? <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>More candidates:</p>
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								<p>It’s going to be a lot easier to change anyone who isn’t comfortable with the concept of death’s view of life and death than it is getting a forum full of developers to agree on a name <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/wink.png?v=15" title=":wink:" class="emoji" alt=":wink:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20">.</p>
<p>If the balance needs to be corrected, call it a <code>LoveView</code>.</p> 
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