For me, LiveView is all about a seamlessly updated state, in which the content on the page is never stale… so what if the opposite was called a StaleView? It’s 2 syllables like LiveView, stays away from the whole death thing, and is more focused on the state of the rendered output?
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BartOtten
No need to agree. The way I envision it is this topic being a consultation, which will lead to a proposal, the proposal itself can be presented to the community just as a last check if there is no oversight cq. reason to ‘forbid’ it.
It doen’t need to be an official name, just a guideline followed by the majority (I hope)
After all: deadview is widely used
- without any official status
- without all people liking it
- without being perfect
- without ever reaching consensus
Would be nice if key figures in the community can endorse it, simply to speed up adaptation, but
that’s a nice to have.
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BartOtten
True. I personally tend to StaticView at the moment. Isn’t perfect but seems to be neutral, natural and is not untrue.
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BartOtten
The 2 syllables is nice. However, ‘stale’ is usually not a good thing afaik. Data going stale (outdated), products going stale (don’t eat those).
Who can beat StaticView with a 2 syllables variant? 
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BartOtten
‘Dumb’ is not considered very positive. Maybe BareView instead?
Now I think of it: better find a brainstorming tool. Hoping to find a “Yes, this is IT!” variant by iterating (even posting variants I deem not to be viable); a tool could make it more visual and would allow us to ‘thumb up, thumb down’
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BartOtten
So I asked ChatGPT:
1 syllable word which represents static, non-continuous or stale without negative connotation.
A good candidate is still.
“Still” is a one‐syllable word that conveys a state of being unchanging or motionless—essentially static or non‐continuous—without carrying any inherently negative connotations. For example, a “still image” is simply a non-moving picture rather than something undesirable.
Now I think of it: the reason I removed the option was due to a thin link with “death”. But…that connotation is only there due to the current naming. Do you agree @zachdaniel ?
I must admit the 3 syllables ‘StaticView’ does feel like a 2 syllables for me. Very different than ‘Stateless’. Am I the only one or is it common due to the ‘ic’ being almost silent when followed by View?
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josevalim
Creator of Elixir
To me the suggestions have the issue in that they ignore that the view could be made dynamic through other means. For example, the StaticView could be rendering a dynamic app via React or Ajax, so there is nothing static about it. That’s why I am ultimately happy with just calling it View or, informally, a regular View or if you want to be precise, a non-live View (it doesn’t mean it is dead, it is just that it is not a LiveView). I think adding a new word, at this point in time, will probably just cause more confusion. My two cents.
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BartOtten
So we are on the same page about Static being a bit on the narrow side. However, accounting for what can be added on top of Phoenix does feel like a stretch. With all respect, going with the stretch: I could add JS to conditionally connect the socket (as some do), so should we rename LiveView to MaybeLiveView? If you add React to a View, is it a LiveView? It certainly behaves as such.
The problem with View is that it’s human nature to use a contrasting term. View is the generic part in LiveView. Live being the type. So what’s the other type?
Regular imho does not seem to fit either. For many, LiveView is the regular type they use these days and the other View is for edge cases.
I am quite certain we won’t get a perfect name, but at least we can come up with something better than ‘DeadView’ (which would never had made it in a comparison) while still supporting the need for a contrasting name.
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