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<p>Their packages model is hopelessly outdated but they are clinging to it with a death grip.</p>
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<p>Stability my friend. apt is what keep my basement PC updated since 2009, through many hardrives, CPUs, motherboards. I never did any fresh installation and I am on the latest Debian stable.</p> 
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<p>Check out Xubuntu.  Part of future proofing is adopting a UI that never and I mean never changes.  It’s beautiful.</p>
<p>Re: Linux phobia - most developer activity just needs terminal, browser and maybe VsCode. Xubuntu gives everything you need.</p>
<p>Side benefit: you can easily run the Linux desktop as virtual machine.  VNC remote desktop works great (checkout the Remmina client).  Boot, configure, load packages, experiment.  If things go wrong, destroy the VM and restart.</p>
<p>Also: To debug Linux configuration, ChatGPT and similar LLMs are really good.  For developers, this is the golden age of the Linux desktop.</p> 
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<p>Mine is Manjaro. Only two problems in several years. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/person_shrugging.png?v=15" title=":person_shrugging:" class="emoji" alt=":person_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
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<p>The issues I was getting where I was breaking for example my audio, was not debian specific, but the fact that you remove a bunch of packages and install others, then obivously something goes wrong as something is incompatible.</p>
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<p>That is <em>very</em> specific to Debian though. My Manjaro almost never did that. Only once a script failed to remove an outdated package that was being superseded by another. Fixed by a quick Google and two commands.</p>
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<p>Agreed, that’s why I want the immutable ones that are being transactionally upgraded.</p>
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<p>My Manjaro is stable as well. I don’t make fun of anyone using any Linux – if it works for you, cool. But I’ve used Debian many times and always found it infuriating at one point. They leave you to fend for yourself on bigger upgrades. Many people don’t mind, I do.</p> 
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								<p>I would do the same but I no longer trust Canonical. They made questionable decisions. If Snap exists on the system then I assume they can remote-push whatever they like.</p>
<p>Paranoid I know, but going to Linux for me mandates full control over my machine.</p>
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								<p><em>Moved these posts to a dedicated thread as I’m sure a lot of people may be thinking about doing the same…</em></p> 
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<p>At times I feel the same. The thing that wants me to do it more than anything is that macOS is now beginning to feel like a compromised system.</p>
<p>I <a href="https://forum.devtalk.com/t/did-not-agree-to-help-apple-improve-search-in-spotlight-macos-users-did-you/181518" rel="nofollow">recently noticed</a>  that <code>Help Apple Improve Search</code> in Spotlight settings was checked but I did not opt in for this (and I’m pretty sure there will be some sort of legal action against Apple at some point for enrolling people into this automatically). It could mean that every single file name (and maybe even some of its data) has been sent to Apple.</p>
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<p>And there are various other things too, like why isn’t Advanced Data Protection on by default (so that your iCloud data is encrypted - by default!) and speaking of iCloud, why can’t we just run our own servers to act as our own cloud? These could simply be at home (home broadband is fast enough now) or hosted online somewhere. This could be set for personal or family use and even multiple servers could be used for contingency. There’s absolutely no reason why anyone’s personal data ever needs to be on Apple’s servers.</p> 
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