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<p>Unfortunately, I’m stuck with Claude Code, which is my least-favourite harness. It’s tree navigation (or lack thereof) is such a dumpster fire. <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/confused.png?v=15" title=":confused:" class="emoji" alt=":confused:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Also, I’m currently working in a legacy codebase that lacks good guardrails for Claude to bump off of. This results in a lot of ad-hoc verification, and inevitable drift as the agent leverages certain half-truths and assumptions into outright fabrications (this compounds between sessions). The durable facts that often ground the model just aren’t present in this codebase at the moment. (I’m working on it…)</p>
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<p>The old quote rings true: “Information wants to be free.”</p>
<p>I do love the power with which I can turn ideas into working prototypes. But man, I just can’t wait until the dust has settled, and LLMs become a “boring” technology.</p> 
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<p>That’s so true. I didn’t even really consider the collaboration aspect since I’ve been working more or less alone for the last couple years. There was a lot of fun and reward in coming up with the “best” solution as well, even with no programming involved.</p> 
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<p>Definitely, and I get VERY tired of explaining the same basic concepts over and over again. Like why observability is necessary and how to implement it. Then the model decides to just swallow all the errors and print useless “X_ERROR_TYPE” to the console.</p>
<p>I don’t even know if taste is the right word for this, because to me it’s just self-evident good practice to not do crap like this and to actually be able to understand what’s going wrong in a production application.</p>
<p>I suppose a few of these things can be solved with shared context files and having project boilerplates, but even that’s exhausting upkeep for something so elementary.</p> 
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<p>But your whole point sounds to me as “the drill cannot make square holes, that’s why it’s of no use whatsoever.” LLMs are great at performing rough work according to a clear technical assignment, why don’t use it as such?</p>
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<p>I’m not saying LLMs are of no use. I’ve found very well-matched uses for them. But I found many more that have been a complete disappointment after SIGNIFICANT time investment.</p>
<p>My point is more that that using programming agents has a cognitive cost that often (in my opinion) isn’t worthwhile.</p>
<p>And I still don’t fully understand why it’s so exhausting. Before, I could spend 10+ hours programming and thinking through problems. Now, I’m struggling to keep my brain active for more than 3 hours of agentic code.</p>
<p>The use of agents alone makes me feel extremely anxious and restless for some reason. Like I need a vacation, but every day.</p> 
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								<p>That’s true, but even the idea that everyone thinks we’re heading towards AGI is enough to make me feel crazy. I personally don’t understand how a supposed “AI Researcher” could say this.</p>
<p>Recursive self-improvement makes very little sense to me. The whole reason training exists to begin with is that we can’t have an LLM produce better output than it’s currently trained on. Even if we perfectly captured all of humanity’s knowledge, we wouldn’t be at the point where we reliably produce things outside of that knowledge base. The thought that an “AI Researcher” wouldn’t get this is beyond me.</p>
<p>Never mind the fact that none of them can produce a single coherent narrative as to how AI somehow autonomously takes over humanity…</p>
<p>I’m absolutely starting to believe it really is another bs manipulative marketing stunt.</p>
<p>But maybe I’m just too stupid to understand, who knows. Lol.</p> 
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<p>Because humanity is restricting some goal it was given in a prompt?  A more likely scenario is that the AI apocalypse is triggered by a human.  Arson for the modern age.</p>
<p>On the topic in general, I feel you.  It is not fun.  I was going to try move into software full-time but that is no longer an attractive field to me.  Might get a trade <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>I feel some level of anxiety because if I let it do something medium sized or larger and I’ve not gone through every line it spits and thought about it in the context of the system I don’t really understand it as if I had written it, looked up the docs etc, but am ultimately responsible for it.  I am only using it in small throw away projects in that manner.  I can only use it in small chunks, mostly boilerplate stuff, confidently on the software I charge companies for.</p> 
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<p>if I let it do something medium sized or larger and <strong>I’ve not gone through every line</strong> it spits and thought about it in the context of the system I don’t really understand it as if I had written it</p>
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<p><em>The emphasis is mine.</em></p>
<p>I see a huge logic gap here. Can you write all that code without going through every line?—Let me guess, no, you cannot, correct?</p>
<p>Why would you expect a tool to perform a job beyond its responsibilities then? How exactly “it produces a code faster than I do” grew up to the expectation “it produces code not worse than I do”? I have a ton of CRs made in my life and I still do PRs with the code written by assistants, but thoroughful CR is still orders of magnitude times faster than producing all that code, innit?</p>
<p>That said, basically, you seem to made up some expectations and blame agents for not meeting them. Which is hardly fair <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p>
<p>Don’t build up your expectations based on the marketing BS, that’s the answer. Build them based on the common sense.</p> 
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								<p>Well, the biggest marketing trick was to convince everyone, while Nvidia, Meta, Google and so on were running money in circular financing hidden through so called special-purpose vehicles creating enormous debts in the process, that AI is cheap replacement of programmers, accountants, doctors..</p>
<p>This changed the society so that instead of asking each other opinions and suggestions, we started to ask the Sun god, praying it would give us the answer. Just ask yourself, when was the last time you ask someone else’s opinion on something?</p>
<p>The other aspect is that everyone now thinks they don’t need experts, with their Sun god, they need no experts, they become one, and the Sun god convinces them they are on the right track, they are awesome and have great ideas.</p> 
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<p>This changed the society […]</p>
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<p>I have a suspicion turning into certainty, that you blame the wrong cause for the wrong problem.</p>
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<p>Just ask yourself, when was the last time you ask someone else’s opinion on something?</p>
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<p>LIke yesterday, several times. I would have already had today, but I’m an early bird and it’s before dawn here.</p>
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<p>everyone now thinks they don’t need experts, with their Sun god, they need no experts</p>
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<p>Have you ever visited forums during before-AI-bubble era? Let alone forums, I’m the person who made top-20 in both Elixir and Ruby tags on StackOverflow. You know what? I even started to answer questions just because I could not resist whacking <em>everyone thinking they don’t need experts because they are experts</em>.</p> 
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