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<p>Ha, for those of us who have the privilege to weather unemployment for a bit, this is accurate.</p>
<p>Remember “tokenmaxxing?”  The AI companies said, “The best possible thing you could do right now is compete with each other to see who can pay us the most money.  The sky’s the limit!” and a bunch of seemingly intelligent technologists responded, “Duh, ok!”</p>
<p>The world was well hecked up before LLMs came along, but something just feels <em>really</em> off to me right now, and I don’t see how it can last.  So I’m totally Spongebob <small>(ok fine, Patrick)</small> here, and I oddly feel very hopeful.</p> 
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<p>OK then <a class="mention" href="/u/jeremyjh" rel="nofollow">@jeremyjh</a> how do LLMs work nowadays if they are not “next token predicting machines” anymore? I need the update!</p> 
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								<p>If you click the arrow on a quote, it takes you to the post that was quoted. You can also use your mouse’s scroll wheel to navigate the thread. I hope this helps next time. Here is the answer you seek:</p>
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    This is only a meaningful description of a base model that has only been pre-trained. After post-training the model is not predicting the most likely token to appear next in the internet corpus - it is predicting the token that is most likely to lead to a solution that satisfies the grader in an <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.14245" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">RLVR</a>. Most of the model’s training has taught it how to design and develop solutions, and use tools to research and test their solutions before submitting them for grading. Transformer-based token predi…
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								<p>Yeah so still a token predicting machine.</p>
<p>But thank you for educating my poor self on mouse usage, your contributions here are so helpful.</p> 
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								<p>Came across this and curious to hear what y’all think.</p>
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								<p>Yes, it does predict a token, but before it predicts a token it predicts the solution that will satisfy the reward function. Similar to how when I start coding something, I make a prediction that tapping the “d” key will make progress toward writing “defmodule”, which will, in turn, lead towards satisfaction of a reward function such as getting a paycheck.  You could reduce that to calling me a “keypress predictor” but it wouldn’t be a meaningful description of what I do.</p> 
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