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								<p>It is almost totally ignored on this forum also. Search for BPM and see the reactions.</p> 
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<p><a href="https://aws.amazon.com/swf/faqs/" class="inline-onebox" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">AWS | SWF | FAQs</a></p>
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<p><strong>Q: When should I use Amazon SWF vs. AWS Step Functions?</strong><br>
… AWS customers should consider using <a href="https://aws.amazon.com/step-functions/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Step Functions</a> for new applications. If Step Functions does not fit your needs, then you should consider Amazon Simple Workflow (SWF).</p>
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								<p>There is netflix conductor also. <a href="https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/netflix-conductor-a-microservices-orchestrator-2e8d4771bf40" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/netflix-conductor-a-microservices-orchestrator-2e8d4771bf40</a><br>
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								<p>I am sure that BPM is a compelling technology. I regularly wish for more and better business/technical documentation no matter where I work. That said, at the end of the day, this is a forum about the Elixir programming language, not BPM. I am sure there are forums (e.g. <a href="https://forum.bpmn.io/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://forum.bpmn.io/</a> ) where BPM is thoroughly discussed.</p>
<p>Now, if you post a project here which implements (or at least starts to implement) a BPMN backend in Elixir, with a small example of how to use it to run a BPM diagram, I feel very confident saying that people will show interest <img src="https://forum.elixirforum.com/images/emoji/apple/slight_smile.png?v=15" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":slight_smile:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"></p> 
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								<p>I developed my (start of a) bpms in my spare time, between payed freelance jobs. To at least learn elixir. I would like to get work with it. Currently I’m on a freelance job again, not with elixir. It proved hard to find work with elixir. If anyone sees a business opportunity I would be more than happy to work further on the bpms, payed. I would prefer to make the product open source. Anyone interested can PM me, I can give a demo and code insight.</p> 
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<p>Maybe, but what about the learning curve? Many businessmen like certain terms and if you present your training case properly, that can win you a week or two but would that be enough for a programmer to get a good workable knowledge level?</p>
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<p>I will still claim “don’t fix it if it ain’t broken” because making a team of 10+ people use the same tools for documentation and processes is times harder – and much more time-consuming – than just one-offing things.</p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong please – also addressed at <a class="mention" href="/u/stefanhoutzager" rel="nofollow">@StefanHoutzager</a> – I would love to use something like that. But between not being able to learn it in an afternoon, to not having <em>brief</em> video tutorials, and swimming uphill by trying to make a team of people use the same tools… I think many of us are excused for not bothering.</p> 
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								<p>Just bother when you see a use case. Problem is you have to have some minimal knowledge of what bpm makes possible to see them.<br>
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								<p>I’ve always thought a big step in the right direction towards usability improvement with BPM systems would be a simple webhook receiver. Structure something that’s your default for receiving hooks that can make it easy to determine what you want to do with them afterwards and possibly streamline that workflow.</p>
<p>Then set it to where you can export those simplified rules into official BPMN.</p>
<p>I really think that would be enough to get people utilizing the concepts earlier on in their process.</p> 
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								<p>I don’t know much about BPM but just reading through this thread it makes me think about CA Plex. I worked for a software that used it for almost everything, other than myself and another guy who did .net stuff. Is this something new or ideas from the 80’s being updated and reused?</p> 
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