Why do you believe people called me irresponsible for creating Elixir? Because I had some influence in the Ruby community and that would lead people to use Elixir while it was still in development. This kind of thinking completely shifted the blame from people who actually made the decision to use Elixir and put it on me. It is very unreasonable.

I should have equal voice as everybody else in here. If the reason I can’t take a stand against something is because people would take my opinion for granted or side with me without critical thought, then that’s not my responsibility. Do not take what I say as correct or take what I do for granted, whatever I do is as prone to errors as everyone else.

It is not fair for you to impose your own standards on how people should behave and then hold people to standards they have not agreed with in the first place. The fact someone contributes a lot (or not at all) should not change the responsibilities and expectations they have within the community.

I am sorry but this irks me way too much.

Maybe people were actually familiar with Drab and decided to try different approaches? Or maybe, based on Chris talk, this is a problem that he wanted to tackle since 2013, but first he had to create and maintain Phoenix before he could take a stab at it? And even if they had no clue about Drab, how is that even a problem?

I got a lot of flak over the years (and still do) for creating a new programming language. Some called me out of touch, others called me borderline irresponsible, etc. But you know what? “because I wanted to” is a completely valid and enough answer to starting a project. There are some projects in the Elixir community that I don’t agree with but that’s totally fine (hey, they wanted to!). As long as people can discuss the trade-offs clearly, people are not being mislead, etc, I am not going to lose sleep over it.

I know this sounds counter-intuitive, as we do need a community to push those ideas forward, but that should be conciliated with everyone’s “right” to tinker and experiment.

So let people experiment, prototype and try things out. Once the ideas have consolidated, the proof of concept is ready, etc, then everybody can sit together and have a reasonable discussion about trade-offs. For all we know, LiveView could be dead in 2 months, because all of Chris’ choices turned out to be bad.

So let’s not make any rash decisions on a proof of concept that isn’t even released yet.

I just watched the video of Chris’s talk last night and he indicated that LiveView would be developed independently from Phoenix and therefore wouldn’t ship as a dependency or as part of Phoenix itself.

But I do see your point though. The focus will probably shift to developing LiveView.

I think I speak for many of us in this community when I say THANK YOU! @grych for all of your hard work and effort in developing Drab and paving the way. You proved that the idea was a solid one. Great work!