Is anyone getting one of these Preonic keyboards?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/keyboardio/preonic
Selling points for me:
a hidden mode where the keys all quack like ducks
The butterfly lights up
You can configure the knob to do all sorts of things
Donât fall for it @lud - I did (after seeing @haulethâs pics in this thread and on DT - as well as @Dustyâs pics) but ortholinear AND tiny is a lot to get used to. You canât deny they are beautiful and the cool factor is definitely high, but I would recommend trying to find someone local to try theirs before purchasing. I knew it wasnât for me as soon as I tried it (maybe I should have given it more time but Iâm pretty sure I wouldnât have changed how I felt).
I think if I go for a non-Apple keyboard next I would focus more on ergonomics and practically and to what feels natural to type on (so no unnatural raising of the wrists or placement of arms or extension, etc).
When I think about what kind of keyboard that might look like (when sitting at a desk) your elbows are usually further out than your hands, so your fingers extend in a triangular line towards the apex, with the most accessible area forming a heart shape. So with that in mind perhaps only smaller adjustments to the standard keyboard might be all thatâs needed? (Perhaps two additional smaller keys under the space bar and the lesser used keys from the far edges (esp on the right hand side) moved above the top row (or inserted before the even lesser used top row keys). Then it could be made into a splittable keyboard for even more custom fitting/placement.
Shall we design our own perfect keyboard? 
Iâd echo my thoughts above James - I think ortholinear keyboards feel very unnatural to type on (for me anyway) unless they were angled perhapsâŠ
Yeah, @lud, donât fall for it! @hauleth and I are definitely not having the most awesome experience that would blow your mind, and you definitely wouldnât want to use my keymap as a starting point to have your own awesome experience.
I really wanted to like it Dusty 
Itâs without doubt one of the nicest looking keyboards around 
But soooooo difficult to get used to. Did it take you long to get used to it? Do you have any tips for anyone who might want to try one? (Go all in or just increase use over time etc?..)
I have no fears. I am still coding on my laptopâs keyboard, using its screen too with a second larger screen behind. I think everything else would be better.
Just commit. Really commit. I am 6 years into this layout. I took the time to optimize at the beginning, and now I donât change it. I carry a Planck in my bag at all times. If I take my laptop on vacation, I bring a Planck EZ. I donât use any other keyboards. I donât try to switch back and forth. I donât care about maintaining QWERTY, or pinky shift muscle memory, or being able to âsometimes use a staggered board.â I gave up everything for this layout. We are ride or die. If you donât believe in your layout, your layout wonât believe in youâgo back to the drawing board until you have no doubt.
As a practical matter, I put my main thumb key (like space bar) directly below home row index finger (right below the M on your board). Most Planck layouts put the space bar further toward the center of the board, but this creates a completely different hand position, which is quite unnatural in the way it forces you to pronate and reach, IMO. The combination of using a wide mod, with pinkies at the edge of the board and the hands a bit further apart, along with resting the thumb below the index finger, allows that little bit of supination that makes the hand relax. I think a lot of Planck layouts fight against anatomy a bit, putting keys where it seems like they should go, rather than where the hand naturally rests. Hand size obviously has a lot to do with it, so you need to experiment.
I personally use keyboard that my laptop comes with.
Here is my âfullâ desk when I feel like having a second screen and a keyboard/mouse.
This second screen is a 14" that only weighs 600g ! I 3d printed it a hard case to be able to put it in my bikeâs pouch without trouble.
This little keyboard is the one I removed all lighting from.
Thanks Dusty - you (and @hauleth) should consider doing some YouTube vids helping people get used to it 
If you were designing the Planck (or another keyboard) yourself, what changes would you make or do differently?
Looks good Lucas, and I like the purple keycaps!
If youâve got an iPad you could also use it as an additional display - shame you canât use two - one either side of a Laptop would be pretty neat 
Not sure if itâs the same where you are Andy, but I just had a notification Amazon UK have 50% off the G915 TKL:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07W6JQ1KQ
And 15% off the full size G915:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Low-Profile-Double-Shot-Programmable-Backlighting/dp/B0D9M3T7ZF
I would have been tempted to try one if they had them in white and clicky, just to see if I liked or if it can run without any drivers (or able to use OS drivers) and wired. Amazon here in the UK are pretty good with returns so would have sent back if I didnât get on with it.
In the US, full size is currently 40% off. No discount on TKL.
This just popped up on DT and was fun to look through:
Iâm pretty sure I had a keyboard like this one:
IBM introduces the PC/XT Enhanced Keyboard (pictured) and PC/AT Enhanced Keyboard, initially for the Personal Computer XT âSâ models and Personal Computer AT Expanded respectively as an option. They are pearl-white adaptations of the IBM 7531/7532 Industrial Computer Keyboard, and are also the first Model Ms becomes available for home and standard business PCs.
Not sure if was an authentic IBM (I think it was) or a copy, but it was the best PC keyboard I ever had! Loved the clicky sound of it.
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I used to watch videos of an developer using this keyboard. Could barely hear the man himself 
That keyboard is not office-friendly.
I want one.
I just checked and itâs not the same one Bart:
Although looking at it now, I am not even sure it was that one - all I can remember it was a cream coloured keyboard (that looked like that IBM keyboard) with a lovely âlightâ clicky sound - not too loud, and did not require a lot of pressure. The only thing I didnât like was it was not ultra low profile, so wrists would ache after long periods.
PS I moved your pipe post to a dedicated thread - good question!
Get one Danik!
This thread got me straight into a rabit hole. Here are the things reinforced in my opinion.
As I have a pile of keyboards I really needed to reduce, I picked my old CM Storm Rapid Fire 1 to test before selling it. Itâs really old, some leds do not work anymore (donât care) but I one again felt in love with it.
No fancy split keyboard, no thumb clusterâŠjust a black mechanical keyboard with Cherry Brown.
Gonna try to get used to homerow mods, think of layers upfront and might opt for a Planck. It seems kinda cramped and moving keys to the middle like @Dusty makes the pinky âsecondaryâ-less, no?
Apple Magic Keyboard with TouchID, love it!
(and I also appreciate that its layout is consistent with my MacBookAirâs)
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