vrod

vrod

Forgive me for maybe a noob question. I am reading much about configuration – maybe this in Elixir is one of the most confusing things? I read this Configuring your Elixir Application at Runtime with Vapor | AppSignal Blog and it says “if it can be set at runtime, it should be set at runtime.” This makes much sense to me – this is how other languages work with .env files – but maybe the comparison is not fair with dynamic languages?

My question is what things can not be runtime config? I imagine a very simple setup from working with PHP where there was only 1 config and 2 .env files (regular .env and a .test.env) and the test suite would know to use the .test.env. But dynamic languages do not have the same concerns. I am thinking maybe a config for a module name like saying which HTTP client the app should use. A system ENV maybe has string for “HTTPoison”, but you must convert this to atom like Elixir.HTTPoison. It is ugly, but I think this works fine. What things will not work this way and must be set in a config file for compile time config?

Thank you for your replies!

Marked As Solved

Nicd

Nicd

This suffers from being long and containing ifs, but I’m posting it anyway for reference. I went 100% on runtime.exs in my project and only have a couple of things that need to be set at compile time in the config.exs.

This has worked well for me. Even though the runtime config file is big, it’s not really that big once you get to know it, and I can have unified config for both development and release time (just using .env in development for convenience).

Also Liked

hauleth

hauleth

There are basic 2 types of config in Elixir code:

  1. Compile time configuration. Before Elixir 1.10 you could call Application.get_env/{2,3} in any part of the code, even compile time, so people often did stuff like:
    defmodule Foo do
      @option Application.get_env(:my_app, :foo_config)
    
      # …
    end
    
    This caused the @option to be set during compilation, so if someone was using releases (Distillery or Relx at the time) could be confused why @option didn’t changed when the configuration was changed on the target server. Since 1.10 we have Application.compile_env/{2,3} and Application.get_env/{2,3} will print warning when used in compile time. There are few examples of applications that use compile time env and in few situations this still sometimes makes some sense (for example poor-man dependency injection).
  2. Runtime environment, that is Application.get_env/{2,3} calls within functions body, that is it. The “funny” thing there is that runtime configuration is also divided in 2 separate things (and people often forgot about it):
    1. “Startup config” that is read only at the beginning of application lifetime (often in module that is implementing Application behaviour, or in init/1 functions of the servers). This is for example reason why simple Application.put_env(:logger, :level, :warning) will not work, and you need to use Logger.configure(level: :warning) or reason why you cannot configure :kernel and :stdlib applications via config/config.exs (so for example configuration of Erlang’s logger is currently enormous PITA in Elixir).
    2. “On-demand” configuration where Application.get_env/{2,3} is called “in-place”, where it is needed. Reason why a lot components cannot be configured that way are mainly 2:
      • Performance - reading environment is much slower than just variable from the process state
      • Data is needed at the start of the process - for example you cannot change port on which Cowboy is listening for connections after it was started (obviously)

So 1. is obviously something that you cannot configure in runtime (examples of such behaviour is :mime database). And depending when your Vapor configuration will be ran 1.1. can also be off limits, at least for some applications (notably :kernel and :stdlib are hard to configure with any Elixir tooling).

dch

dch

The Application.env is 100% ets:

iex(serenity@wintermute.skunkwerks.at)9> :ets.tab2list :ac_tab
[
  {{:application_master, :credentials_obfuscation}, #PID<0.367.0>},
  {{:env, :gettext, :default_locale}, "en"},
  {{:env, :kernel, :logger},
   [
     {:handler, :default, :logger_std_h,
      %{
        config: %{type: :standard_io},
        formatter: {:logger_formatter,
         %{legacy_header: true, single_line: false}}
      }}
   ]},
  {{:application_master, :cowboy}, #PID<0.415.0>},
  {{:env, :amqp_client, :writer_gc_threshold}, 1000000000},
  {{:env, :lager, :crash_log_count}, 5},
  {{:env, :ex_unit, :timeout}, 60000},
  {{:application_master, :goldrush}, #PID<0.326.0>},
  {{:loaded, :logger},
...

You can look in the observer app, if you select view -> ETS tables -> system tables too.

For better (read-only) performance, look at persistent_term — OTP 29.0.2 (erts 17.0.2) the persistent term cache, added in OTP21.2. Note that updating this is a java-esque stop-the-world scenario for the entire VM.

lud

lud

The first thing I can think off are modules names that macros will be used from, or will be modules generated by macros.

Basically, anything that changes the compilation result.

Where Next? Top

Trending in Questions Top

stjefim
Hello! Suppose you are building workflow (order / task / payment) processing system with the following requirements: Each workflow con...
New
Blokh
Hey guys, I’ve got a huge CSV ( around 10 GB ) that needs to be processed hourly Do you guys have any suggestions what is the best prac...
New
roeland
Kia ora, We have been using elixir-google-api to connect to Google Drive. However, with the updates to Tesla due to CVEs this is now bro...
New
kszambelanczyk
Hello! Could someone please give me a help/sample code, how to delete a file from s3 using waffle/waffle_ecto from Phoenix app. I creat...
New
Onor.io
I have what I’ve heard referred to as a “lookup table” in my database. This is a way of assigning codes to common values. One common lo...
New
jaybe78
Hello, I’m developing a online persistent chat system (what’s app) like using elixir/dynamodb/aws for a mobile app(flutter). The diffic...
New
Trolleger
What approach to take when sending live updates to “random” users Hi! I have a question, I have a little chat app, and when I create a DM...
New

Other Trending Topics Top

garrison
Hobbes is a low-level distributed database for the Elixir programming language. Hobbes provides a simple, safe, and scalable storage lay...
New
mcass19
ExRatatui lets you cook up rich terminal UIs in Elixir, powered by Rust’s ratatui via Rustler NIFs. Build interactive terminal applicatio...
New
Damirados
Hello everyone. After busy few months I am happy to announce v0.1.0 of Emerge &amp; Solve. They are GUI (Emerge) and State management (S...
New
netoum
Corex is an accessible, unstyled UI component library for Phoenix that integrates Zag.js state machines using Vanilla JavaScript and Live...
New
wintermeyer
There are three potential reasons for members of this forum to have a look at https://vutuv.de You are tired or annoyed of LinkedIn. Yo...
New
aseigo
ICal is a library for interacting with iCalendar data. It parses iCalendars into typed Elixir structs via ICal.from_ics, and can prepare ...
New

We're in Beta

About us Mission Statement

Options

Thread Display Mode




Thread Preview

Skip Thread Previews