blackode
Why Enum.all?([]) is true and Enum.any?([]) is false?
In General if the Enum.all? evaluates true that means all the elements in the given collection evaluates true for the given callback function applied.
If Enum.all? is true, then no doubt Enum.any? must also to be true and that makes sense.
But, Coming to the empty list [] this case has been reversed.
The following lines can give you the more idea. Could someone explain the logic behind this?
iex> Enum.all?([], &is_nil/1)
true
iex> Enum.any?([], &is_nil/1)
false
iex> Enum.all?([], & &1==143)
true
iex> Enum.any?([], & &1==143)
false
iex> Enum.all?([2,3,4], & &1>1)
true
iex> Enum.any?([2,3,4], & &1>1)
true
How the Enum Protocol behaves for an empty List []?
Just yesterday I got the businness requirement to use the Enum.all? to check for price value should meet the certain condition.
I simply code it like Enum.all?(list, & &1.price >= 143) to my surprise whenever the list is empty it is sending me true . It should send me as false right and that’s what I expected. Then I looked the docs for it.
Please correct me if I am wrong here. Glad if you could share intentions behind this function usage.
Thank You ![]()
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vlad.grb
If you open the source code here then you will find that it is a simple reduce operation staring with
falseas accumulative value. So when your list is empty then it gives yourfalse. The same for all? it starts with true and empty list doesn’t trigger the iteration process.Eiji
Those functions are really well documented.
For Enum.all?/2:
For Enum.any?/2:
As you can see in both functions documentation says what happens in “all other cases”.
Maybe it could be seen as confusing, but when you think more about it then it makes more sense.
In
Enum.all?/2case we check ifallelements passes check and since there are no elements it acts like all elements passes. Please look at it like that: we have0items and0items passed, so all items passed - or in another words there was no item which does not passed.In
Enum.any?/2case we check ifanyelement passes check and since we have no element no element from list passes check, so we are gettingfalsehere. Please look at it like that: we have0items and0items passed, so no items passed - or in another words there was no item which have passed.You can notice
all items passedvsno items passedparts and that’s correct since we haveall?vsany?naming.benwilson512
Logic is exactly the right word! The answer here has to do with the relationship between the existential and universal quantifiers. Formally:
In regular language, it’s saying that if for all x some proposition P(x) is true, then it’s false that there exists any x such that P(x) is false. Enum.all? is equivalent to the universal quantifier, and Enum.any? is equivalent to the existential quantifier. Let’s play with it!
This makes sense. If all of the integers are even, then obviously not any of them are not even. The high level relationship to keep in mind here:
Enum.all?() == !Enum.any?(). If one is true, the other must be false.Let’s focus on the
Enum.any?([2,4,6], fn x -> !Integer.is_even(x) end)bit. The idea here is that we’re looking for any item that passes our test. If no item passes the test, we should return false.If we give it an empty list, then no possible item can pass the test, so it returns false. Our high level relationship from earlier told us that
Enum.all?() == !Enum.any?(). Therefore ifEnum.any?returns false with an empty list, thenEnum.all?must returntruefor an empty list.blackode
Thanks for time you took to document here with well explanation.
I almost read your content enough times to digest the intention behind those functions.
Now I got confusion to use
Enum.all?I have to check for list emptiness before applying. There is no problem withEnum.any?here butEnum.all?confused with the sounds it has. I thoughtEnum.all?must evaluate the condition function given tonot falsySince we don’t pass any value in the list, as the priority check, the functional condition is no way it gets executed.At higher level of understanding I thought it should be
falsewhile coming to lower level it is more sense to betrueafter looking your points.So, for
Enum.all?an extra check has to performed for Non Empty list. Before its actual usage.As an experience, I thought it to be reverse.
Thanks for Everything
blackode
Glad you took the time and effort to document this. Appreciate that.
It’s more explanatory and ideal to look into.
The relationship between the existential and universal quantifiers is self-explanatory for the logic behind the function.
This explains the hidden logic.
But needs bigger mind.
Thank you
ityonemo
Honestly in 90%, maybe more, of cases you shouldn’t need to check if the list is empty before doing Enum.all?.
I have never to my memory written a check for emptiness in front of any list.all function in 20 or so years of coding.
blackode
Yeah! I used to code it so unless I met with the strange behavior or business requirement.
adolfont
As a Logic in Computing professor, it is great to see a direct application of what I teach!
aenglisc
Another way to describe it is it that
allis a series of conjunctions (and) whereasanyis a series of disjunctions (or), and by De Morgan’s lawsnot (A and B) = not A or not Bfrumos
should it be said like:
instead?