ilya-kolpakov

ilya-kolpakov

I think the behavior of pattern matching on null-valued pairs within structs is surprising:

iex(6)> defmodule A do defstruct [:a, :b] end
iex(7)> match?(%A{a: a}, %A{})               
true
iex(8)> match?(%{a: a}, %{})  
false

I would argue this is not very useful. By matching on the struct itself (e.g. on %A{}) we already know the keys that are going to be present. Hence pattern-matching on members provides zero additional value.

IMO, it would be more useful if the above struct match returned false. Indeed, it would provide a way to test a semantical presence of a value rather than a mechanical one. This can be done via guards but the syntax is more verbose.

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OvermindDL1

OvermindDL1

Or just straight out by testing the nil case first: match?(%A{a: nil}, %A{})

idi527

idi527

Or !!%A{}.a … looks a bit like swearing.

OvermindDL1

OvermindDL1

Wouldn’t work in a match context though? ^.^;

idi527

idi527

Oh, I thought the goal was to get a false.

ilya-kolpakov

ilya-kolpakov OP

Thanks for the suggestions. Indeed, !! won’t work within a function signature unfortunately.

benwilson512

benwilson512

Author of Craft GraphQL APIs in Elixir with Absinthe

It provides tons of value if you include a pattern on those members, or if you include those members in a guard.

Let’s filter all As that are empty

as |> Enum.filter(&match?(%A{a: []}, &1))

Ultimately the whole point of match? is that it works exactly like:

case value do
  %A{a: a} -> true
  _ -> false
end

If you want some other characteristic then you want some other function.

We are more than happy to try to help provide the most idiomatic way to achieve whatever your goal is in this situation. Just understand that suggestions that involve breaking changes to core functions are unlikely to gain a lot of traction.

ilya-kolpakov

ilya-kolpakov OP

Ben, thanks a lot for your detailed answer. I was probably not clear enough about it, but I am not interested in match? per se but rather in the design decision behind pattern matching implementation for structs. Given that I understand how structs are implemented I see that pattern matching works in a most straightforward way.

OvermindDL1

OvermindDL1

That is entirely dictated by the BEAM VM itself.

As for structs, they act very much like ‘records’ from Erlang.

And to do something like having match?(%A{a: a}, %A{}) return false then it would have to have a guard, and guards introduce a non-trivial hit in processing time (doing <<_:binary>> is faster than doing s when is_binary(s) for one example), which is dreadfully important at times.

ilya-kolpakov

ilya-kolpakov OP

Not necessarily. One could forbid keeping nil values in structs but keep the set of possible keys somewhere else (which, in turn, might be useful for defining the order of keys for instance).

Interesting, I would not have guessed. Did you learn it by trying to optimize some code or by learning BEAM internals?

OvermindDL1

OvermindDL1

How would you do that?

A struct is just a map, so worst-case someone could just Map.put(someStruct, :theKey, nil)…

I came from the erlang world with a lot of network parsing, I’ve been working with the BEAM off and on for ~15 years I think now (early 2000’s). ^.^

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